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Post by ForRealTho on Dec 23, 2021 19:29:07 GMT -5
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Post by ForRealTho on Dec 26, 2021 21:18:18 GMT -5
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Post by Cop on Dec 27, 2021 8:14:31 GMT -5
ROFL, good riddance. No sympathy for people like that...
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Post by sj on Dec 28, 2021 13:45:58 GMT -5
ROFL, good riddance. No sympathy for people like that... He paid the ultimate price. It's one of the worst ways to die. Basically, drowning on your own mucus. Have you ever felt the sensation of drowning? It's like that, but far worse because it can take days or weeks to die. I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.
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Post by ForRealTho on Dec 28, 2021 14:00:25 GMT -5
He paid the ultimate price. It's one of the worst ways to die. Basically, drowning on your own mucus. Have you ever felt the sensation of drowning? It's like that, but far worse because it can take days or weeks to die. I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. Its funny to me how they keep saying I am a sheep for getting the Moderna vax and somehow listening to the media when it comes to the virus. Now I agree the media is shit in a lot of ways but at this point you have to be a near flat earth level conspiracy nut to deny its real and its killing people. There is another one today where a woman with young kids kept calling us sheep and she died at 30 years old leaving her kids to her exhusband who she was vocal on Facebook about despising. Wow. You sure showed me. Imma go bahhhhh like the sheep I am, as I sit here completely healthy and not dying in agony...
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Post by sj on Dec 28, 2021 16:05:38 GMT -5
He paid the ultimate price. It's one of the worst ways to die. Basically, drowning on your own mucus. Have you ever felt the sensation of drowning? It's like that, but far worse because it can take days or weeks to die. I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. Its funny to me how they keep saying I am a sheep for getting the Moderna vax and somehow listening to the media when it comes to the virus. Now I agree the media is shit in a lot of ways but at this point you have to be a near flat earth level conspiracy nut to deny its real and its killing people. There is another one today where a woman with young kids kept calling us sheep and she died at 30 years old leaving her kids to her exhusband who she was vocal on Facebook about despising. Wow. You sure showed me. Imma go bahhhhh like the sheep I am, as I sit here completely healthy and not dying in agony... I don't believe in most of the conspiracies. I do like to joke about them though. Some conspiracies turn out to be true tho, like the one w/ US govt spying on its own citizens and leaders of our supposed allies. At the end of the day, the more you try to force ppl to your side (with vaccine mandates or whatever else), the more they'll resist. Dems would do much the same if a Republican were mandating something or spying on citizens. imo, let individuals make their own decisions and let Darwin decide the rest. Well, my sister and her family (husband + two kids) currently have covid. They're very pro-vax and were probably first in line for it. So the idea that only anti-vax ppl spread covid & kill others (presumably to other un-vax'd ppl, because the vax works, right) is the pendulum swinging a bit too far in the other direction.
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Post by sj on Dec 28, 2021 16:30:12 GMT -5
Are these ppl you've seen face to face or trolls on the internet?
Maybe it's the region or state you're in. I'm in Ohio (moved here last year for my job) and haven't heard anybody calling people sheep for getting the vaccine. Most of my older relatives got the vaccine and all (except one) are conservative.
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Post by ForRealTho on Dec 28, 2021 20:14:43 GMT -5
Are these ppl you've seen face to face or trolls on the internet? Maybe it's the region or state you're in. I'm in Ohio (moved here last year for my job) and haven't heard anybody calling people sheep for getting the vaccine. Most of my older relatives got the vaccine and all (except one) are conservative. Various websites tho I do have some antivax extended family
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Post by Emig5m on Dec 29, 2021 19:00:52 GMT -5
Still can't refute this huh lol.
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Post by sj on Dec 29, 2021 19:54:04 GMT -5
Still can't refute this huh lol. The following video, posted earlier in this thread, offers a good explanation for why some people develop myocarditis and/or drop dead from heart attacks shortly after getting the vax. slackercentral.freeforums.net/post/23523/threadBasically, there's a blood clotting factor in some % of the population (likely based on genetics) that's triggered by something in the vax. Also, for this to happen, the vax has to be injected into the blood stream (which nurses shouldn't be doing.. the vax should be injected into muscle, if they administer the shot correctly). That's why I went to a medical clinic, not a pharmacy, for the jab. I figure the staff in a medical clinic, where they specialize in medical procedures (rather than selling drugs), are more likely to administer the shots correctly.
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Post by sj on Dec 30, 2021 7:36:14 GMT -5
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Post by sj on Dec 30, 2021 7:38:16 GMT -5
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Post by sj on Dec 30, 2021 7:45:20 GMT -5
www.newsmax.com/us/malone/2021/12/29/id/1050403/He spoke out (tweeted) against covid vaccine mandates for young children. You know something's off when a social media tech giant permanently bans a guy who helped invent the thing. Not just the tyranny aspect of limiting free speech, which they've been doing for quite a while, but also the denial of scientific expertise over an agenda/politics.
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Post by ForRealTho on Dec 30, 2021 8:46:00 GMT -5
Still can't refute this huh lol. By refute you mean you want me to go through every single one of those news stories in the video and verify all of those people had heart attacks from the vaccine or not? I am not sure how exactly I am supposed to accomplish that. As I said in the thread earlier some people have horrible reactions to something as simple as a Tylenol: www.fda.gov/drugs/drug-safety-and-availability/fda-drug-safety-communication-fda-warns-rare-serious-skin-reactions-pain-relieverfever-reducerpubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22755330/So basically you have a headache so you take a single Tylenol and your skin rots off your body and you have to spend months in the hospital getting skin grafts. So clearly this means Tylenol is evil and should be pulled off the market? Its actually extremely rare. I've had 3 Moderna shots, been on some really hard bike rides and no issues so far.
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Post by sj on Dec 30, 2021 9:06:47 GMT -5
They have linked some of it to the vaccines. But that's true also.. there's really no way to know how many of those kids collapsed due to complications from the vaccine or something else. Kids & young adults collapsing during sports or strenuous exercise is really nothing new. I've heard stories of that happening since Jr High. I was in football in the 7th grade and one of the coaches told us about a student who had a heart attack while using the bench press. Of course, why so many ppl are born with heart conditions, as well as other problems (like autism), and these seem to be steadily increasing is another debate.
Regardless, no matter how small, there's a risk. There's a risk either way (vax, don't vax). A major problem with mandates is who's liable when there is a complication due to the vax. An article I posted earlier (which references Japan policy saying don't discriminate against the unvaccinated and let individuals choose) says, in western countries, the individual getting the shot is liable (even when mandated/forced to get it). Well, I guess you could choose not to, but then your ass is fired, you starve, your family leaves you, etc. How fair or democratic is that really? There seems to be huge animosity and zero empathy towards the unvaccinated (from pro-vaxers) anyway, so if you believe they'll die by going anti-vax route, why not let them do so? We already know the notion that vax'd ppl can't spread variants of covid is bullshit.
I'm not anti-vax. I've had the vaccine myself. But if you're going to coerce ppl into getting the vax, those ppl w/ rare complications should not be liable. They should be able to sue. At least allow them to sue big pharm, who are making tremendous profit off of the vaccines and can easily afford it anyway. Why the left, who are supposedly for the little guy, doesn't address this and tacitly accepts the massive greed of the medical-industrial complex over basic human rights is ridiculous, imho.
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Post by ForRealTho on Dec 30, 2021 11:32:13 GMT -5
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Post by sj on Dec 30, 2021 20:06:01 GMT -5
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Post by ForRealTho on Dec 30, 2021 20:15:46 GMT -5
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Post by sj on Dec 30, 2021 21:13:00 GMT -5
Well, anybody with sense knows how divided and polarized we are as a country. Knowing this and making such lofty campaign promises was only setting himself for failure. Candidates running against him will have so much ammo.
Also, the set goal of over 70% vaccinated, was actually achieved. 2nd shots and boosters (newer requirements to be considered fully vaccinated) were added later, as they realized the vax wasn't as effective as they had hoped.
It's all public record, so the excuses wear thin (even for some of the left-leaning media, if you haven't noticed). His opponents will be all the more motivated and will certainly point all of this out.. how his administration's covid policy still failed to lower cases or bring the pandemic under control.
As the bad news continues and with what seems to be a record for broken campaign promises, I wouldn't be surprised if his own party pressures him to retire or resign (prior to the next election), so they could put up another candidate for election. That's presuming Biden isn't forced to retire from age-related health issues first. The man is 80+ afterall.
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Post by Emig5m on Dec 30, 2021 21:42:02 GMT -5
They have linked some of it to the vaccines. But that's true also.. there's really no way to know how many of those kids collapsed due to complications from the vaccine or something else. Kids & young adults collapsing during sports or strenuous exercise is really nothing new. I've heard stories of that happening since Jr High. I was in football in the 7th grade and one of the coaches told us about a student who had a heart attack while using the bench press. Of course, why so many ppl are born with heart conditions, as well as other problems (like autism), and these seem to be steadily increasing is another debate. Regardless, no matter how small, there's a risk. There's a risk either way (vax, don't vax). A major problem with mandates is who's liable when there is a complication due to the vax. An article I posted earlier (which references Japan policy saying don't discriminate against the unvaccinated and let individuals choose) says, in western countries, the individual getting the shot is liable (even when mandated/forced to get it). Well, I guess you could choose not to, but then your ass is fired, you starve, your family leaves you, etc. How fair or democratic is that really? There seems to be huge animosity and zero empathy towards the unvaccinated (from pro-vaxers) anyway, so if you believe they'll die by going anti-vax route, why not let them do so? We already know the notion that vax'd ppl can't spread variants of covid is bullshit. I'm not anti-vax. I've had the vaccine myself. But if you're going to coerce ppl into getting the vax, those ppl w/ rare complications should not be liable. They should be able to sue. At least allow them to sue big pharm, who are making tremendous profit off of the vaccines and can easily afford it anyway. Why the left, who are supposedly for the little guy, doesn't address this and tacitly accepts the massive greed of the medical-industrial complex over basic human rights is ridiculous, imho. Exactly, well said. I wish someone sensible like you was the president and in charge. Something that burns me up to no end, if the vaccines work, then who gives a fuck if some people choose not to get it? The people who got the vax have nothing to worry about if they work, right? Right? None of it makes fucking sense.... It can make you sick or die, but you're not allowed to sue if something goes wrong... That sounds like they really have faith in it....not. My father had a major reaction to the flu shot after a doctor talked him into getting it and it landed him in the emergency room for the night, he said never again. So does that mean I would also have a bad reaction since I'm from the same genes? Heck I haven't gotten sick since the pandemic started, not even a sneeze or cough, and I normally get really sick about once a year...explain that. The only years I cease to get bed-bound sick is during some world-wide pandemic...I feel like I'm being trolled. There's other massive reasons I don't trust the government, but that's probably for another topic all together.
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Post by Emig5m on Dec 30, 2021 22:43:41 GMT -5
I didn't get a chance to watch this yet, but might be interesting...
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Post by ForRealTho on Dec 30, 2021 23:00:46 GMT -5
Exactly, well said. I wish someone sensible like you was the president and in charge. Something that burns me up to no end, if the vaccines work, then who gives a fuck if some people choose not to get it? The people who got the vax have nothing to worry about if they work, right? Right? None of it makes fucking sense.... It can make you sick or die, but you're not allowed to sue if something goes wrong... That sounds like they really have faith in it....not. My father had a major reaction to the flu shot after a doctor talked him into getting it and it landed him in the emergency room for the night, he said never again. So does that mean I would also have a bad reaction since I'm from the same genes? Heck I haven't gotten sick since the pandemic started, not even a sneeze or cough, and I normally get really sick about once a year...explain that. The only years I cease to get bed-bound sick is during some world-wide pandemic...I feel like I'm being trolled. There's other massive reasons I don't trust the government, but that's probably for another topic all together. The reason you haven't gotten sick is when you force people to social distance and wear masks it means less flu and colds going around, whodathunkit? The reason they want as many people vaxxed as possible is less people spreading it around, same with smallpox, etc. This has been explained over and over. Also if you want someone sensible as president I assume you mean Trump? He has the vax and the booster shot. Has that changed your opinion of him?
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Post by ForRealTho on Dec 31, 2021 0:37:15 GMT -5
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Post by ForRealTho on Dec 31, 2021 9:34:25 GMT -5
I wouldn't be surprised if his own party pressures him to retire or resign (prior to the next election), so they could put up another candidate for election. That's presuming Biden isn't forced to retire from age-related health issues first. The man is 80+ afterall. People seem to like Pete Buttigieg but I don't think the country is ready for a gay president, then again I didn't think Obama would win because he is black and I was wrong. Funny thing about Pete is the right goes on and on about supporting our troops and being the "party of the military" blah blah but just like with John Kerry if he gets the Democratic nomination they will not give a single solitary fuck about his military record and do everything and anything to denigrate his military accomplishments and dismiss them completely.
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Post by sj on Dec 31, 2021 9:58:21 GMT -5
Exactly, well said. I wish someone sensible like you was the president and in charge. Something that burns me up to no end, if the vaccines work, then who gives a fuck if some people choose not to get it? The people who got the vax have nothing to worry about if they work, right? Right? None of it makes fucking sense.... It can make you sick or die, but you're not allowed to sue if something goes wrong... That sounds like they really have faith in it....not. My father had a major reaction to the flu shot after a doctor talked him into getting it and it landed him in the emergency room for the night, he said never again. So does that mean I would also have a bad reaction since I'm from the same genes? Heck I haven't gotten sick since the pandemic started, not even a sneeze or cough, and I normally get really sick about once a year...explain that. The only years I cease to get bed-bound sick is during some world-wide pandemic...I feel like I'm being trolled. There's other massive reasons I don't trust the government, but that's probably for another topic all together. The reason you haven't gotten sick is when you force people to social distance and wear masks it means less flu and colds going around, whodathunkit? The reason they want as many people vaxxed as possible is less people spreading it around, same with smallpox, etc. This has been explained over and over. Also if you want someone sensible as president I assume you mean Trump? He has the vax and the booster shot. Has that changed your opinion of him? Hey, not everyone who opposes the mandates is an anti-vaxxer. There's much more nuance regarding covid vax to consider than our binary system of politics. i.e. I'm on side A, he's on side B and the enemy. Let's fight. Such bullshit. hah. The reason I didn't want to get the jab is that I'm aware they skipped (for the 1st time) the usual requirements - clinical trials & research process lasting 5+ years. I'm pro vax, generally. I just didn't want to be a fucking guinea pig. Nobody should be forced to be a guinea pig through govt mandates - (executive branch) strong-arm tactics via interpreting and twisting the law as they see fit. The executive branch isn't supposed to make laws (Congress) or interpret them (Judicial) in new ways.. especially not in a round-about/shady way, through OSHA and coercive tactics, mandates requiring ppl to put an experimental substance in their bodies. The exec branch is supposed to enforce pre-existing law only. I got the vaccine under threat of being fired from my job. My employer was shady about it too, as there were no emails or regular mail informing me of the consequences. It was done by phone call from my manager, so I have no proof of being coerced.
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Post by ForRealTho on Dec 31, 2021 21:09:28 GMT -5
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Post by ForRealTho on Jan 1, 2022 15:01:11 GMT -5
Somehow I missed earlier this year Linus Torvalds telling off an anti-vaxxer.
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Post by Emig5m on Jan 1, 2022 16:50:41 GMT -5
*BANG* Bullseye....
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Post by sj on Jan 1, 2022 22:46:28 GMT -5
That guy makes a valid argument. The rapid shifts in recommendations and policy changes creates distrust ("anti-vaxxers") and confusion (including among the vaccinated). "Get the vax, you can travel freely. Wait, no you can't." Leaves me with the impression that these organizations don't really have a clue of how to handle the pandemic or how to control it. Case surges are much worse than pre-vaccine and it's confusing the hell out of them (CDC, FDA, WHO, world governments, etc).
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Post by sj on Jan 1, 2022 23:05:26 GMT -5
The CDC is (finally) right about covid being highly transmissible among the vaccinated though. Well, more likely imo, they've finally decided to be honest about it to the public. I've known this quite a while because I trust that old British doctor/Youtuber (I've been linking videos to) and he's been talking about it for a while. My sister and her family (all fully vaccinated) and down with covid, is solid 1st-hand proof. Oh yeah.. even fully vaccinated, you can be a super-spreader and murderer of Grandmas.
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