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Post by Coolverine on Jun 2, 2020 15:58:28 GMT -5
I was just thinking if I see the RTX 2070 drop to around $300, I might buy one. I got my GTX 1070 3 years ago for $385 and it's still very strong, so I feel like I should keep using it until the next cycle anyway. They're saying the RTX 3000 GPU's will do DLSS even better than the 2000's. I feel like out of everything in my PC, the GTX 1070 is the one thing that could be upgraded.
*edit* I got the LED's on my SteelSeries mouse to match the orange lights on my new Logitech keyboard, the big light didn't come out right in the picture, but it can be seen better on the scrollwheel. The hex # for this color is 1c0d03. Might make the big light white to match the other lights in the rest of the keys, there's tons of options for the light colors on this mouse. The problem is, solid white on it has a very slight blue which I can't find a way to offset.
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Post by ForRealTho on Jun 4, 2020 19:50:42 GMT -5
So Amazon asked me if I am sure I want to hang onto my preorder. The Asus 2020 models were announced in April and I preordered a month ago but no sign of them. Rumors it won't be till at least July. Annoying.
I could order this and have it here next week:
Only thing that sucks is 240 hz instead of 300hz. I really wanted to have that ridiculous screen. Also I would have to apply my own liquid metal. No biggie its super easy to tear apart that brand of laptop.
Also Eluktrunics has a feature that allows you to run the CPU/GPU at crazy high power modes I don't think the Asus will have.
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Post by Coolverine on Jun 4, 2020 20:01:04 GMT -5
240hz is still plenty, I just recently got a 144hz monitor and even that so far is a massive improvement. I can leave vsync off and there's no tearing, it's awesome.
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Post by ForRealTho on Jun 7, 2020 12:20:22 GMT -5
Yeah I think I'm going to get the MAX17 www.eluktronics.com/MAX-17It has a lot more BIOS options then the ASUS. It even allows XMS memory profiles so I am going to go for 16 gigs of RAM from them and then later I might get 32 gigs of the fastest RAM the laptop will support. The Eluk boost feature is really cool since it will let the CPU/GPU run a lot faster then the ASUS. I'm getting old enough I'm not sure I can even make use of the the 60 hz bonus going from 240 to 300. I might luck out and be able to overclock the 240 hz panel to 260 or higher. |
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Post by Coolverine on Jun 8, 2020 21:47:00 GMT -5
In all honesty, I'm kinda hard pressed to see a difference between 75fps and 144fps, performance wise anyway. I'll try some more games to be sure, but out of the 3 so far (including KotOR 2) I see no significant difference when it comes to how smoothly things are in linear areas, such as corridors and whatnot. However, I did notice a difference in the framerate when I went from a 60hz monitor to a 75hz monitor. The one place where I have noticed a huge benefit of having 144hz (or more), scenes in games where there are large open areas and/or lots of detail moving past, as the camera/viewpoint moves, all of that detail stays smooth with vsync either on or off. At 60hz and even 75hz, scenes like that would cause the framerate to slow down with vsync on, or otherwise I had to deal with tearing with vsync off. I think my game even improved in WoT after going to an actual gaming monitor, same with LoL. 
I think it's possible that as time goes on and games get better graphics, higher refresh rates could become more necessary. Although most of the console gamers are probably still using 60hz TV's, my TV is only 60hz too.
Looks like a really great laptop with great software, I watched the video. I think he said that he didn't see a difference between 240hz and 300, but did see a difference between 144hz and 240. I do know I can never go back to a sub-144hz monitor ever again now. The monitor I got is supposed to overclock to 165hz but I haven't tried yet.
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Post by ForRealTho on Jun 10, 2020 19:20:49 GMT -5
In all honesty, I'm kinda hard pressed to see a difference between 75fps and 144fps, performance wise anyway. I'll try some more games to be sure, but out of the 3 so far (including KotOR 2) I see no significant difference when it comes to how smoothly things are in linear areas, such as corridors and whatnot. However, I did notice a difference in the framerate when I went from a 60hz monitor to a 75hz monitor. The one place where I have noticed a huge benefit of having 144hz (or more), scenes in games where there are large open areas and/or lots of detail moving past, as the camera/viewpoint moves, all of that detail stays smooth with vsync either on or off. At 60hz and even 75hz, scenes like that would cause the framerate to slow down with vsync on, or otherwise I had to deal with tearing with vsync off. I think my game even improved in WoT after going to an actual gaming monitor, same with LoL. I think it's possible that as time goes on and games get better graphics, higher refresh rates could become more necessary. Although most of the console gamers are probably still using 60hz TV's, my TV is only 60hz too.
Looks like a really great laptop with great software, I watched the video. I think he said that he didn't see a difference between 240hz and 300, but did see a difference between 144hz and 240. I do know I can never go back to a sub-144hz monitor ever again now. The monitor I got is supposed to overclock to 165hz but I haven't tried yet.
It makes the biggest difference in competitive FPS. Back in the day it was kinda a secret among pro gamers and they would take crazy high refresh rate monitors to tournaments. 240hz monitors with no V-sync get the information on the screen faster so its really hard to be competitive with people who have high refresh rates when you are on 60hz |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2020 9:18:34 GMT -5
In all honesty, I'm kinda hard pressed to see a difference between 75fps and 144fps, performance wise anyway. I'll try some more games to be sure, but out of the 3 so far (including KotOR 2) I see no significant difference when it comes to how smoothly things are in linear areas, such as corridors and whatnot. However, I did notice a difference in the framerate when I went from a 60hz monitor to a 75hz monitor. The one place where I have noticed a huge benefit of having 144hz (or more), scenes in games where there are large open areas and/or lots of detail moving past, as the camera/viewpoint moves, all of that detail stays smooth with vsync either on or off. At 60hz and even 75hz, scenes like that would cause the framerate to slow down with vsync on, or otherwise I had to deal with tearing with vsync off. I think my game even improved in WoT after going to an actual gaming monitor, same with LoL. I think it's possible that as time goes on and games get better graphics, higher refresh rates could become more necessary. Although most of the console gamers are probably still using 60hz TV's, my TV is only 60hz too.
Looks like a really great laptop with great software, I watched the video. I think he said that he didn't see a difference between 240hz and 300, but did see a difference between 144hz and 240. I do know I can never go back to a sub-144hz monitor ever again now. The monitor I got is supposed to overclock to 165hz but I haven't tried yet.
It makes the biggest difference in competitive FPS. Back in the day it was kinda a secret among pro gamers and they would take crazy high refresh rate monitors to tournaments. 240hz monitors with no V-sync get the information on the screen faster so its really hard to be competitive with people who have high refresh rates when you are on 60hz Even with competitive FPS (a small % of gamers), it would depend on your overall setup (having a higher end PC), the particular game/s you're playing, graphics quality settings, and being a person with fast/twitch reflexes. They say that human's reflexes and motor coordination peak in their mid to late 20's, so if you're 30+ it's probably game over as far as being top tier in competitive FPS... unless you're some kind of freak who hit the genetic lotto or something. It could happen (like Nolan Ryan, a former pitcher in MLB, who was a strike out king into his 40's and still throwing fastballs at nearly 100mph), but this is very rare obviously. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nolan_Ryan#Career_statistics |
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Post by Coolverine on Jun 11, 2020 9:23:21 GMT -5
I remember on my old monitor, in WoT sometimes when I would zoom in all the way, it would stop being smooth which made it difficult to aim. Doesn't do that on new monitor, I can aim like a pro. Also made aiming while on the move better.
*edit* I kinda wish I'd gone with the Asus VG27AQ instead, it was $20 cheaper and does HDR. Also I've owned 2 Asus monitors now and the vividness of the colors on them is incredible. I did manage to adjust the colors on the Acer monitor to nearly match it, but it's still not quite there. I might still buy one anyway, wouldn't mind a 3rd screen that can do 1440p.
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Post by ForRealTho on Jun 12, 2020 8:21:39 GMT -5
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Post by ForRealTho on Jun 15, 2020 16:27:49 GMT -5
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Post by Coolverine on Jun 17, 2020 13:59:55 GMT -5
I could afford one of those now if I wanted to but I'm gonna wait, the price will probably drop eventually. Even now though, the price is very good for what that is. I bought a 4TB Samsung SSD for a little under $700 last year, almost half the price of that 8TB Sabrent. I remember when the only high capacity SSD's you could get were those very expensive ones. |
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Post by Coolverine on Jun 20, 2020 11:56:00 GMT -5
I hope this is true, if it is, I'm glad I have decided to wait for the RTX 3000's. They're saying that it will have some kind of co-processor for the GPU, I remember 3dfx was doing something like that way back in the day with Rampage (after Voodoo 5) but of course, it never saw the light of day. It was supposed to help offload T&L calculations from the GPU which would have helped performance, the rumor is that this co-processor will be to help do the same with raytracing.
Also really looking forward to DLSS 3.0, if it's any better than 2.0 it will be amazing.
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Post by Coolverine on Jun 21, 2020 20:51:08 GMT -5
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Post by ForRealTho on Jun 21, 2020 23:27:15 GMT -5
Nice. I am using my home laptop and VPNing into my work computer. I have dual monitors here and dual monitors at work. I have played WoT some while working but played Grim Dawn last week when its slow. Grim Dawn has a single player mode so you just pause pressing ESC and I can alt tab into my work stuff if need be. Great way to kill time at work is grinding in an RPG. |
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Post by Coolverine on Jun 22, 2020 11:28:50 GMT -5
They gave me a laptop to bring home but I still have to connect through VPN with it to get to all my work stuff. The VPN service that this company uses is great, I wish I could get a plan from them. I looked it up and they only offer plans for businesses.
I don't have much time to play games while working unfortunately, but I did get away with a few matches of WoT the first week while I was still waiting for all my stuff to be set up. |
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Post by Coolverine on Jun 23, 2020 20:14:55 GMT -5
I figured out how to overclock the refresh rate on this monitor to 165hz, also there's another setting called OD, I'm not sure what it does exactly but it has 3 settings: Normal, Extreme, and Off, I left it on Normal. Stuff moves and looks incredibly smooth at 165hz, even the desktop.
*edit* Also found options to make the super bright blue LED button sleep, and also an option to turn off the refresh rate number which is nice. I don't know why so many companies like to put bright blue LED's on their products, it's annoying.
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Post by ForRealTho on Jun 30, 2020 10:36:39 GMT -5
So my laptop was supposed to ship by June 21st. Due to Coronavirus I gave them another week and nadda.
Called yesterday morning and they said it would ship out last night and be here Wednesday.
This morning no update on their site. I called and they apologized and said it was finished yesterday but not put in the mail.
They are shipping it overnight to me.
Already downloaded the drivers. I ordered the smallest SSD they offered because I am just going to swap in my 2TB SSD.
Looking forward to running benchmarks on this 2016 Acer Predator and the 2020 Eluktronics MAX17 at the same time side by side.
I could also go full SSD psycho and get one of those 8TB ones. I wonder how long it would take to clone a nearly full 2tb drive to an 8tb drive over thunderbolt? Probably not very long. Took less then 20 minutes to clone my 512 to the 2tb.
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Post by ForRealTho on Jul 1, 2020 9:53:28 GMT -5
So Eluktronics told me they would send my laptop overnight. They didn't. Its 2 day.
Took the day off work tomorrow and just told them to hold for pickup. I hate playing the waiting game for large packages.
One time either Fedex or UPS didn't show up at my house till 7:30 PM. I had no idea they delivered packages that late. Now I just have to drive over there after 1 pm and its good to go.
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Post by ForRealTho on Jul 2, 2020 13:43:29 GMT -5
Typing this on the MAX17 Its so thin I had to take the heatsink off my SSD for the backcover to fit. Setting stuff up right now. Crazy seeing 8 cores 16 threads on a laptop. Even opening Chrome and going to websites is already a lot faster. |
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Post by Coolverine on Jul 2, 2020 14:08:04 GMT -5
I've had 2 8-core/16-thread CPU's now, the first one was okay but the new one is definitely a powerhouse, I've seen it boost up to 4.4-4.5ghz too, so I think I got a good one in regards to the silicon. Also upped my RAM to 32GB which I never thought I'd do but I think it actually made a difference as well. I've heard that Windows 10 actually makes some kind of use of extra RAM. I'm so spoiled with my own machine, my work computer feels slow and the specs on it aren't bad.
*edit* Speaking of Windows 10, it updated the Edge browser on my machine and even though I specifically told it not to import anything from my other browsers, somehow it signed me in on Google without my permission after updating. That's not good, that's one of the ways how unauthorized access and data breaches can happen. Might send them a ticket about that, although they probably won't care.
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Post by ForRealTho on Jul 2, 2020 19:42:16 GMT -5
I have had my new laptop for a few hours some thoughts.
I haven't done any color calibration but out of the box my old Predator had better colors. That thing seriously has the best color reproduction I have ever seen on a laptop. Killing Floor 2 looks really good with the deep reds and blacks. This screen isn't terrible but its not amazing.
I ran 3dmark on both at the same time. If you are logged onto Steam on two computers you can just make one go offline then they will both run:
The 6700hq was a good laptop chip for its time but was always the weakest link. Was shocked the 10875h was more then twice as fast though.
Since I put more hours into PUBG then any other shooter the last 3 years I hoped on it real quick. I am rusty as shit haven't played that game much in a year.
Noticed the difference right away. When PUBG first launched in beta with its terrible optimization my old Acer Aspire with a 960m was getting 20-40 fps under heavy action. Its completely nuts to get over 200 fps now in PUBG.
I had one match where I got lucky and got a care package with level 3 helmet/vest and a Groza. Had a bunch firefights where I got the drop on people and I was shredding people. The higher FPS and 240 hz display really has helped already. In intense firefights noticed no FPS drops.
On my old laptop I would get between 80-150 fps depending on the scene. On this one I was getting 200 fps regular, there was a scene with a ton of smoke and fire and I was getting 120 fps.
One that that does suck is the keyboard gets warm on this. The Predator is so huge and bulky that the keyboard never gets warm at all.
I still need to mess with undervolting. The BIOS for this laptop is completely nuts with a lot of options. I sprung for 16 gigs of 2933 RAM on this but since the BIOS supports XMS I might look for 32 gigs of really fast memory. Don't know if its worth it or not.
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Post by Emig5m on Jul 2, 2020 19:53:37 GMT -5
Just curious, why don't you just build a desktop? Then you can just reuse stuff like monitors.
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Post by ForRealTho on Jul 2, 2020 20:52:51 GMT -5
Just curious, why don't you just build a desktop? Then you can just reuse stuff like monitors. Because I like laptops. |
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Post by ForRealTho on Jul 3, 2020 17:02:16 GMT -5
I completely forgot about RTX and DLSS 2.0. Downloading Quake 2 RTX right now to try again. Also downloading Metro Exodus might get the DLC.
Its funny its almost 1 year to the day since I finished Metro Exodus but I don't remember a lot about the story. Solid game tho.
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Post by ForRealTho on Jul 4, 2020 11:33:44 GMT -5
I haven't thought about CAS latency or RAM speed in years. My old laptop is DD4 2400 and I am on DD4 2933 now. Some games specifically PUBG and Fallout 4 get huge FPS boosts from memory bandwidth increases. I remember some people would drop down bandwidth for tighter timings back in the day. I read a really technical blog post once that explained in depth why this is dumb and not worth doing. So like dropping from 2933 to 2666 for tighter timings doesn't work out in the end. Anyway. This laptop supports XMP and I see this 32 gig set. I could have it here Monday: www.amazon.com/Crucial-Ballistix-Laptop-Gaming-BL2K16G32C16S4B/dp/B083W5ZRJ1Significantly better timings and 3200 vs 2933. Thing is though I am doubtful of my ability to tell the difference. Also it has an integrated heat spreader and this laptop is so thin that I don't know if the ram would even fit without removing the spreader. Also I don't care much about the race for thinness. I wish this laptop was an inch thicker but had a beefier cooling solution. |
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Post by Coolverine on Jul 4, 2020 22:28:10 GMT -5
Was using 2400mhz DDR4 with my old processor but I'm using 3200mhz with the new one, it's also Crucial Ballistix. For AMD motherboards, the setting in the BIOS is AMP instead of XMP but it does the same thing. I want to go back and try Fallout 4, I used to get bad framerate drops in the city with the ENB mod I was using, maybe it will be better now. |
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Post by ForRealTho on Jul 6, 2020 15:29:49 GMT -5
Enjoying the speed on this laptop but have some buyers remorse. Specifically how hot it runs. This is supposed to be my computer for the next 4 years. A Ryzen chip might be 10% slower in games but they also run 15c cooler. I was looking at getting some 3200 mhz ram but then I see stuff like this: www.overclockers.com/forums/showthread.php/781229-Cpu-temp-rises-when-ram-mhz-increasesThis thing already runs hot so looks like upping the RAM Voltage and getting faster RAM is a bad idea. 2933/3200 is an 8% difference so I don't think its worth dumping more heat onto an already hot machine. |
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Post by Coolverine on Jul 6, 2020 16:26:32 GMT -5
My Ryzen 7 3800X gets pretty hot, I have a mid-tower PC. I don't know if the faster RAM made the CPU run hotter but I've seen it go up to 73C on average under load, when I run F@H it gets up to 83C. I could turn up the fan speed on the CPU cooler but even on regular speed, it's already pretty loud. I'm thinking about getting one of those big coolers from either Be Quiet! or Noctua, they're supposed to make a huge difference and are a lot quieter. Was also considering one of those AIO coolers but I might need a new case for one of those.
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Post by ForRealTho on Jul 7, 2020 19:41:09 GMT -5
I said fuck it and went for the 32 gigs. see if my temps go up. Luckily Amazon returns are easy so I can send it back and get different RAM if it dumps extra heat.
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