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Post by ForRealTho on Nov 15, 2018 10:08:57 GMT -5
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Post by ForRealTho on Nov 15, 2018 10:10:41 GMT -5
I have the 1 TB 850 Evo, I am debating buying this drive and cloning my drive to it just to have a fresh SSD with clean cells. I have been using the 850 for 3 years. Prolly nowhere near dying yet but its a fantastic deal.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2018 13:50:16 GMT -5
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Post by ForRealTho on Nov 15, 2018 14:30:21 GMT -5
When the deals trend they end quick. There was an amazing laptop for sale this morning for $1,300 that normally retails for $2,500. If I needed a new machine I would have snatched it up quick. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2018 15:31:37 GMT -5
The deal was through Frys.com. Frys.com is not sold out of this SSD. So basically, it's bait and click. Sell only a few units at the really good price, then when the limit is hit (maybe 10 or 20 units), end the sale. Either way, this tactic gets thousands of customers to click the site and maybe some of them pay normal prices while there. It's pretty much the same with Black Friday deals. Stores hold back most of the inventory and only make a few available to customers while the sale is going on. Case in point, BestBuy's Black Friday deal on these Sony wireless headphones. You can buy the headphones at any time at regular price online (or probably in-store any other time of year), but you're lucky if any given store has a few on hand during the sale (if you're one of the first in line to grab it). www.bestbuy.com/site/black-friday/sale-ad/?category=doorbusters3 |
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Post by Emig5m on Nov 16, 2018 7:52:20 GMT -5
I have the 1 TB 850 Evo, I am debating buying this drive and cloning my drive to it just to have a fresh SSD with clean cells. I have been using the 850 for 3 years. Prolly nowhere near dying yet but its a fantastic deal. Yup, have the same exact drive for my Steam/Origin/Game library....My old laptop with its crusty slow-ass 5200rpm conventional drive could really use an SSD because I feel like the hard drive is the bottleneck of the system.... |
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Post by ForRealTho on Nov 16, 2018 8:30:32 GMT -5
I have the 1 TB 850 Evo, I am debating buying this drive and cloning my drive to it just to have a fresh SSD with clean cells. I have been using the 850 for 3 years. Prolly nowhere near dying yet but its a fantastic deal. Yup, have the same exact drive for my Steam/Origin/Game library....My old laptop with its crusty slow-ass 5200rpm conventional drive could really use an SSD because I feel like the hard drive is the bottleneck of the system.... Yeah the laptop I bought in 2015 came with a 5400 RPM drive. I replaced it with the 850 Evo I am still using as a games drive in my new laptop. Went from taking ~5 minutes to be fully booted up to 10 seconds. |
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Post by Emig5m on Nov 16, 2018 9:21:37 GMT -5
Yup, have the same exact drive for my Steam/Origin/Game library....My old laptop with its crusty slow-ass 5200rpm conventional drive could really use an SSD because I feel like the hard drive is the bottleneck of the system.... Yeah the laptop I bought in 2015 came with a 5400 RPM drive. I replaced it with the 850 Evo I am still using as a games drive in my new laptop. Went from taking ~5 minutes to be fully booted up to 10 seconds. Sounds like a good upgrade for you (and me). I mainly only use the said laptop for a mini HTPC but it loads stuff sooooo slow compared to my SSD'd desktop! Booting is atrocious! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2018 13:31:12 GMT -5
Yup, have the same exact drive for my Steam/Origin/Game library....My old laptop with its crusty slow-ass 5200rpm conventional drive could really use an SSD because I feel like the hard drive is the bottleneck of the system.... Yeah the laptop I bought in 2015 came with a 5400 RPM drive. I replaced it with the 850 Evo I am still using as a games drive in my new laptop. Went from taking ~5 minutes to be fully booted up to 10 seconds. Even 10 seconds boot-up time is too slow by some peoples' standards. If you want it to boot up in only few seconds, you'd want a motherboard or laptop that uses SSD with the M.2 form factor or even two M.2's running in raid 0. Although, it's already so blinding fast with one M.2 SSD, I'm not sure raid 0'ing them would make a noticeable difference. www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1288025-REG/samsung_mz_v6e1t0bw_1tb_960_evo_nvme.html |
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Post by ForRealTho on Nov 16, 2018 13:32:47 GMT -5
My current laptop has RAID m2s as the boot drive. Debating getting one Nvme in non-raid.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2018 17:41:18 GMT -5
Currently, B&H PhotoVideo has the 860Evo 1TB on sale for $127.99 They have a good price ($100 discount) on the 2TB version also. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2018 17:52:44 GMT -5
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Post by ForRealTho on Nov 26, 2018 18:23:43 GMT -5
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Post by ForRealTho on Nov 26, 2018 18:35:57 GMT -5
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Post by Emig5m on Nov 26, 2018 23:38:18 GMT -5
Wouldn't you want it for loading games too and not just the OS? |
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Post by ForRealTho on Nov 26, 2018 23:48:42 GMT -5
I already have a 1tb games SSD, running out of space on my 250 gig OS drive
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Post by Emig5m on Nov 27, 2018 0:09:30 GMT -5
I already have a 1tb games SSD, running out of space on my 250 gig OS drive
My OS drive is REALLY getting old (Intel 320) and doesn't have much space at all (120GB, 111GB usable after format) and really is only good for a OS (and some apps) drive. But I should see a considerable boost in performance: ssd.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Samsung-970-Evo-NVMe-PCIe-M2-500GB-vs-Intel-320-Series-120GB/m493995vs1936 But heck why not get the 1TB one and transfer my games over and get the speed in my games as well? Then I guess I could transfer the 1TB 850 EVo to my Laptop which really crawls with its 5200rpm mechanical drive.... Hmmm... I think me getting the 500GB just for the OS could be a waste but the 1TB version is considerably much more money....
I do like having my OS separate from everything else just in case of an emergency OS format/re-install all game data (save points, settings, etc) will be intact. Yes I've reinstalled before and my Steam library stayed intact (Steam had to verify my library or something but I didn't need to reinstall/reconfigure my games). But non-the-less, only one m.2 slot to play with so....
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Post by ForRealTho on Nov 27, 2018 9:15:17 GMT -5
Oh yeah the Nvme drive is a lot faster then the 850 Evo I have for sure but that doesn't really translate into a huge load time advantage in games. There are outliers of course but I have zero complaints with performance of the Evo.
I could get a 2 tb nvme drive and just call it a day but I don't think its worth the money.
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Post by ForRealTho on Nov 27, 2018 9:24:32 GMT -5
Not really computer related but for Cyber Monday I picked up these: www.massdrop.com/buy/66558I have been using shitty $20 IEMs for years just because I don't want to lose a pair of expensive headphones or worry about losing them. People who wear $500+ IEMS to the gym/biking and such are crazy imo. I would go nuts worrying about breaking them. Price is right on these and come with 2 removable cables. Review amazing everywhere only $75 shipped. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2018 14:21:05 GMT -5
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Post by Emig5m on Nov 28, 2018 11:23:14 GMT -5
Why limit yourself to just one, when you can have four in Raid 5 config? lol Because that would definitely tap into my prostitute funds!  |
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Post by Emig5m on Nov 29, 2018 1:01:06 GMT -5
Benches much higher but doesn't really boot any quicker (about 3 seconds) over the old Intel 320 series.... So my boot time went from 14.74s to 11.53s, waste of a drive to pick it up even if it was free.
Looks great on paper but, doesn't feel any quicker in real world use.
I'm also confused on a setting in the bios "Sata Mode Configuration: [M.2]/[Sata Express]". It would seem that when using a M.2 drive it should be set to M.2 but it keeps auto reverting back set to Sata Express.
Also, It was my understanding the a M.2 NVMe drive can't be bootable unless the drive is set as GPT but I couldn't clone a MBR drive to a GPT so I had to set it to MBR to clone to it and it still boots up? These new SSD drives is the single most confusing thing I've dealt with on a PC and very poorly documented.
For reference, here's what the Intel 320 benches at:
Booting and system performance should feel dramatically better comparing those numbers but feels pretty much identical, sadly. Plus all the confusion with the BIOS setting and it's supposed to disable a Sata port when in use but they all seem to still be working. Thinking about taking it back for a refund because all it seemed to do it give a dramatic increase on a benchmark program and this thing heats up a lot under load. I don't like it, lol.
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Post by ForRealTho on Nov 29, 2018 8:11:48 GMT -5
There are heatsinks for that drive so I have one on the way. It makes a difference since they throttle when they get hot. Also if you do large video/picture processing the difference in performance becomes a lot more pronounced.
For games and booting the os yeah its a mixed bag. I got mine because I only have a 256 gig OS drive and since it is in RAID it is doubling the chance of a drive failure.
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Post by ForRealTho on Nov 29, 2018 8:17:09 GMT -5
Also I got the 970 from Amazon but I got the Nvme caddy and heatsink from Google Express via Best Buy, the drive wasn't supposed to get here till next Monday but it kept revising the shipping down more and more and now everything is on the same truck for delivery today.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2018 18:12:21 GMT -5
Oh yeah the Nvme drive is a lot faster then the 850 Evo I have for sure but that doesn't really translate into a huge load time advantage in games. There are outliers of course but I have zero complaints with performance of the Evo. I could get a 2 tb nvme drive and just call it a day but I don't think its worth the money. It's even worse for the PS4 (which allows you to replace the system's internal hdd fairly easily and without voiding the warranty through Sony). The Seagate firecuda hybrid drives are recommended as the best performance per $ for hdd replacement on the PS4, since SSD performance isn't even utilized on it. Just thought I'd mention that, since I know he owns a PS4 as well. |
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Post by ForRealTho on Nov 29, 2018 20:59:49 GMT -5
So all my crap got here today. The Thunderbolt NVME drive caddy, 970 Evo, and the heatsink. I knew cloning 256 gigs RAID0 - > Nvme over Thunderbolt would be fast but goddamn. It took 7 minutes to clone everything in Minitool Partition Wizard Free. I was worried I wouldn't have enough room for the heatsink I bought but when I pulled the 2nd m2 sata drive out just enough for it to fit:  Forgot to turn off secure boot so it wouldn't load initially. Also for some stupid reason Windows had to run through Automatic repair like 5 times before it booted. Instead of 29 gigs free now I have 265 gigs free. I'm kinda wishing I woulda just bit the bullet and went full 1 tb but meh. I don't need that much more space.  I am having 1 issue. My bios will not let me shut off RAID mode so AHCI is listed as disabled still on my 850 Evo. Not a big deal just strange. |
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Post by ForRealTho on Nov 29, 2018 21:03:08 GMT -5
Thinking about taking it back for a refund because all it seemed to do it give a dramatic increase on a benchmark program and this thing heats up a lot under load. I don't like it, lol. Remember to install Samsungs Nvme drivers from their website, by default you will using Microsofts. Under Samsung Magician it will show you which Nvme driver you are using. Also a heatsink helps a lot with the temps. |
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Post by Babel-17 on Nov 29, 2018 21:37:36 GMT -5
"this thing heats up a lot under load" If it's like the one I picked up in March, 2017, the temperature sensor is telling you how hot the controller is. mydigitalssd.com/pcie-m2-ngff-ssd.php#80mm-bpx-m2They just released a newer version of it. Samsung's drivers mean you're unlikely to have to stumble on something like this, which dramatically boosted my benchmark speeds. "The MyDitialSSD BPX series does not require NVMe drivers to work properly on a PC, but you can manually install other brands NVMe drives if you really wanted to do so. We used the default StorNVMe drivers in WIndows 10, but manually disabled the write-cache buffer. The standard Windows NVMe driver in Windows 10 and Windows 8.1 doesn’t pass the Force Unit Access (FUA) command. FUA commands bypass the DRAM cache on the SSD and write directly to the drives cache resulting in really bad performance. Storage review sites that use AS SSD, Anvil and PCMark (Storage 1.0) may show low write performance due to this. You can do registry hacks to disable FUA or simply turn off Windows write-cache buffer flushing in Windows Device Manager for the storage drive you want to benchmark. Companies like Intel, Samsung and OCZ have released special NVMe drivers for some of their NVMe drivers to remedy this situation. We’ll show you AS SSD and Anvil scores with Windows Write-Cache Buffer Flushing off. Read more at www.legitreviews.com/mydigitalssd-bpx-m2-nvme-480gb-ssd-review_190472#htMPLDO3afMLpPDu.99" www.legitreviews.com/mydigitalssd-bpx-m2-nvme-480gb-ssd-review_190472Lol, though I ordered a UPS because supposedly a power outage can brick a drive with Windows Write-Cache Buffer Flushing off. I suspect the better ones have enough capacitors and resilience to survive that, but at the time it seemed like my 480 GB nvme drive was worth the investment. Now I'm hooked on having a UPS, and I scored another, bigger, one on sale. Btw, in my experience, that setting only helps nvme drives, it did nothing for me when I tested my regular SSDs. About its temps: www.legitreviews.com/mydigitalssd-bpx-m2-nvme-480gb-ssd-review_190472/3"MyDigitalSSD BPX Series Temperatures A quick look at the drives temperatures showed that we were hitting 71C and that was with a 120mm case fan sitting directly over the MyDigitalSSD BPX 480GB M.2 NVMe drive blowing cool air over it. Before we started the sustained write test we were bouncing around 38C on the drive at idle. We set the polling rate to 30 seconds for this test and you can see how the drive heats up in this test below. image: www.legitreviews.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/mydigitalssd-temps-645x222.jpgmydigitalssd BPX SSD temps Phison has told us before that the E7 controller is rated for use at up to 125C and that the temperature sensor is located on the controller itself and not externally like some other designs. Some might think that this drive is close to overheating as MyDigitalSSD gives the operating temperature range for this series as being between 0° ~ 70°C, but that is for the room temperature and not for the device itself. Thermal throttling is triggered on the BPX series at 80C and then performance will be scaled back until the temperature is back under 80C. We never got close to that temperature threshold with a 10 minute sustained write with active cooling, so it shouldn’t throttle with appropriate cooling. We don’t advise sticking any Phison 5007-E7 controller based SSD into a laptop with limited airflow as they do run hot and use up to 7 Watts of power and that isn’t good for the drive or the laptops battery life. Read more at www.legitreviews.com/mydigitalssd-bpx-m2-nvme-480gb-ssd-review_190472/3#mc73f2IVdlgvklQ3.99" P.S. Amazon has the Samsung SSD I scored on sale as being back-ordered, but I noticed that guru3d showed a new version of Samsung Magician today. Bundled with it is the nvme driver from May. www.guru3d.com/files-details/download-samsung-magician-4-5.html
Edit: Lol, brain fart, I just now noticed that I'm waiting on a Crucial MX500, I'd been eyeballing the Samsung, and now I'm watching how Samsung is likely to really drive prices down over the next year with the quad layer cell line, so I had Samsung on my mind. I guess I can delete that Samsung download, and track down Crucial's software.
I have Primocache, which is premium software for using system memory to boost reads/writes, which Samsung offers with their Magician utility. It's nice for caching a game as you're playing it. Sometimes loading after getting killed is very fast. Depends on the game, I think sometimes a game might want to redo it's shader work, and that's independent of caching or drive speed.
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Post by Emig5m on Nov 30, 2018 1:06:50 GMT -5
It's using the Samsung driver under Samsung Magician.
I touched the drive while it was running the benchmark and it nearly burnt my finger.
There's a lot of misinfo out there about these drives like "they wont boot if setup as a MBR drive" which is false.
ASUS (mobo) tech support is as dumb as a box of rocks.
Benchmarks show crazy numbers but you don't get any real world seat of the pants boost in performance over any other SSD unless you're copying a large file or imaging. Booting is about the same as well as loading programs.
If I could go back in time I would of skipped this upgrade but might keep it since it's a 2hr round trip to return it and don't really feel like it. I am so glad I didn't waste the money on the 1tb one.
Mine didn't do anything fishy upon first boot after imaging, it booted up normal.
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Post by Emig5m on Dec 2, 2018 18:27:24 GMT -5
Was digging through a box yesterday and found the box to my old 120GB SSD, this is how much I paid for just 120GB when SSDs first came out, lol....
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According to this site that m.2 is considerably faster than the 850EVO: 
