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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2018 15:53:39 GMT -5
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Post by ForRealTho on Jun 4, 2018 21:57:43 GMT -5
Interesting video on Jordan Peterson from someone with a masters in philosophy, had no idea they were trans till I started watching which makes it even funnier
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2018 12:40:12 GMT -5
Looks like Wall Street/investors aren't sold on the trade war fears.
The news video explains why, more or less... the favorite categories of investors have been tech & consumer stocks, etc. And likely, materials stocks (like Steel) is somewhere closer to the bottom of investment choices. In other words, they don't give a sh!t about the Steel tariffs, as long as their favored categories continue to post solid profits.
Edit: fixed typo
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2018 14:20:56 GMT -5
Interesting video on Jordan Peterson from someone with a masters in philosophy, had no idea they were trans till I started watching which makes it even funnier yeah, that vid is geared for entertainment/youtube hits. If you want to know what JP's really saying though, watch the full interview she refers to. It's funny too, because he totally owns the interviewer. When the interviewer accuses him of being transphobe and breaking the law, he answers that none of his students asked to be referred to as the opposite gender, but he'd have no problem doing so if students requested it. What he truly opposes is govt laws restricting speech, not transgenders or gays. I understand why the left hates him, because he directly opposes identity based politics. He stands up against compulsory speech laws and guaranteed outcomes based on identity/group (rather than competence). Actually, if you think about it, that's a problem with govt in the US as well... It's plutocracy first and meritocracy last. That's why we have very few scientists, engineers, doctors and the like in government... people who might actually know a thing or 2 about how to fix the environment and solving other complex problems.
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Post by ForRealTho on Jun 5, 2018 15:37:06 GMT -5
I understand why the left hates him, because he directly opposes identity based politics. He stands up against compulsory speech laws and guaranteed outcomes based on identity/group (rather than competence). Actually, if you think about it, that's a problem with govt in the US as well... It's plutocracy first and meritocracy last. That's why we have very few scientists, engineers, doctors and the like in government... people who might actually know a thing or 2 about how to fix the environment and solving other complex problems. You seem hung up on this notion that the left is all about identity based politics and the right is not. Then how do you explain the wholesale prostitution of the Republican party to the Religious Right in the 1980s? The whole "Make America a Christian nation/Put Christians in charge of the government" is 100% Identity based. Even the precursor to the modern alt-right is called Christian Identity: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_IdentityBill O'Reilly was the biggest ratings draw for Fox News for over a decade and his whole thing was "Borders, Language, Culture" which isn't far removed from "Blood and Soil". How is that not identity based politics? Also the whole populist common folks vs the elite/deep state is 100% identity based. Now as to lack of meritocracy I don't see how you can blame that on the left when it is more of a symptom of American culture which is very anti-intellectual: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-intellectualism#United_StatesGoing back decades it has been bad to be seen as an "egghead" or a "nerd". I don't see how you can blame that on the political left.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2018 16:09:29 GMT -5
I understand why the left hates him, because he directly opposes identity based politics. He stands up against compulsory speech laws and guaranteed outcomes based on identity/group (rather than competence). Actually, if you think about it, that's a problem with govt in the US as well... It's plutocracy first and meritocracy last. That's why we have very few scientists, engineers, doctors and the like in government... people who might actually know a thing or 2 about how to fix the environment and solving other complex problems. You seem hung up on this notion that the left is all about identity based politics and the right is not. Then how do you explain the wholesale prostitution of the Republican party to the Religious Right in the 1980s? Even the precursor to the modern alt-right is called Christian Identity: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_IdentityBill O'Reilly was the biggest ratings draw for Fox News for over a decade and his whole thing was "Borders, Language, Culture" which isn't far removed from "Blood and Soil". How is that not identity based politics? Also the whole populist common folks vs the elite/deep state is 100% identity based. Now as to meritocracy I don't see how you can blame that on the left when it is more of a symptom of American culture which is very anti-intellectual: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-intellectualism#United_StatesGoing back decades it has been bad to be seen as an "egghead" or a "nerd". I don't see how you can blame that on the political left. "The whole "Make America a Christian nation/Put Christians in charge of the government" is 100% Identity based. " Sounds more like words you'd hear from pastors in some churches, than from a representative in government. That's more of a theocracy and already prohibited by the Constitution. That said, most politicians run under that banner (including Democrats) simply because most of the voters are Christian. "Also the whole populist common folks vs the elite/deep state is 100% identity based. " That's wealth based... a plutocracy and what we have now. Not sure I'd agree that the size of a person's bank account defines their identity. But if you want to call it identity, alright. It would make another fine example for why identity based politics doesn't work. "Now as to meritocracy I don't see how you can blame that on the left when it is more of a symptom of American culture which is very anti-intellectual" True. However, both sides lean to plutocracy. Neither party favors meritocracy. I feel that's a problem in the U.S., not a problem solely owned by the left.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2018 16:30:59 GMT -5
Think about this hypothetically... look at religion as an "identity" (as many on the left would with transgenders) and predict possible futures that might arise from that pov except being applied to religion (as an "identity"). So hypothetically speaking, some day somebody gets elected who wants to give religious folks the same sort of politically correct bullshit "protections" by limiting free speech, given precedence of specific words already being classified as hate speech and prohibited by law.
Govt interfering with free speech is generally bad. The exception being those cases where it causes public hysteria and puts people in real physical danger, like shouting b*** on a plane. But in that case, obviously, you're protecting the lives of the majority, not of an individual or minority getting hurt feelings.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2018 16:49:05 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2018 18:10:03 GMT -5
Looks like Wall Street/investors aren't sold on the trade war fears. The news video explains why, more or less... the favorite categories of investors have been tech & consumer stocks, etc. And likely, materials stocks (like Steel) is somewhere closer to the bottom of investment choices. In other words, they don't give a sh!t about the Steel tariffs, as long as their favored categories continue to post solid profits. Edit: fixed typo btw, I feel that the hype can be a warning sign. imo, when markets are at all-time highs and the expert analysts are saying buy, that's often a sign that it's time to sell. But nobody knows really (except for the insiders and billionaire investors, such as Warren Buffet)... it could keep trending higher or suddenly reverse.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2018 19:01:44 GMT -5
Going back decades it has been bad to be seen as an "egghead" or a "nerd". That's just our culture. It's a juvenile attitude many Americans carry over from middle school all the way to adulthood. Sadly, for them, buying into that cultural mindset can come back to bite them later in life. The "eggheads" (STEM grads) on average earn more money (among the 99%). Pro sports star and politician pays alot more, obviously. But that's in the 1%... long-shot or even unobtainable careers for most ppl. It's the opposite in China. There, intelligence is a desirable trait (even in govt). The PRC govt picks the best & brightest among their scientists and engineers for positions in government. I'm not saying it's a superior government overall. Because they're also tyrannical and suck on human rights & social issues. www.pinknews.co.uk/2017/11/23/china-has-published-its-first-study-of-transgender-people-and-its-exactly-as-worrying-as-youd-expect/
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2018 19:24:22 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2018 19:31:57 GMT -5
Best buds? lol
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2018 12:19:49 GMT -5
That's just our culture. It's a juvenile attitude many Americans carry over from middle school all the way to adulthood. Sadly, for them, buying into that cultural mindset can come back to bite them later in life. The "eggheads" (STEM grads) on average earn more money (among the 99%). Pro sports star and politician pays alot more, obviously. But that's in the 1%... long-shot or even unobtainable careers for most ppl. It's the opposite in China. There, intelligence is a desirable trait (even in govt). The PRC govt picks the best & brightest among their scientists and engineers for positions in government. I'm not saying it's a superior government overall. Because they're also tyrannical and suck on human rights & social issues. www.pinknews.co.uk/2017/11/23/china-has-published-its-first-study-of-transgender-people-and-its-exactly-as-worrying-as-youd-expect/Clearly, govt's like the one in China shows us that IQ alone isn't the only criteria that would qualify someone as good leader. Some people can be geniuses and SOB sociopaths at the same time. EQ (emotional intelligence)/psych evaluation, experience, and history of demonstrating integrity/values are at least equally as important as IQ.
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Post by Ronhel on Jun 6, 2018 12:36:13 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2018 12:54:52 GMT -5
Remember when Bush Jr looked into Putin's soul and saw a good man. lol Perhaps fake diplomacy tho, because at the same time he formulated a strategy to counter Russian military incursions, by building a missile defense grid in Eastern Europe alongside neighboring Russia. Unfortunately, the plan was dismantled when his presidency ended.
As far as I can tell, Trump seems to be the real thing, a true friend of Putin.
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Post by ForRealTho on Jun 7, 2018 10:28:11 GMT -5
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Post by Ronhel on Jun 7, 2018 10:44:30 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2018 11:43:33 GMT -5
Which developers told Reuters? And whose jobs (manufacturing jobs that pay slave wages in China perhaps)? It's always nice when they include sources and specifics... would sound more credible and less biased. From the same article (last section)... If you believe the article's own conclusion... at the end of the day, we're trading cheap Chinese labor & Chinese manufacturing for more automation & manufacturing in the U.S. In the short-term, it's more expensive (since factories with high-tech robots takes money and time to set up). But in the long-term, having more manufacturing in the U.S., contributes greatly to U.S. GDP. Definitely true though that increasing automation results in net loss of jobs (even if those jobs are in countries that pay slave wages). It's an inevitable side effect of high tech, and threatens millions of jobs (if not most jobs in the world today). Reminds me of a book (fiction) I read in high school. It was about post-Cold War, the communists won and abolished all forms of automation (including anything that runs on electricity), in favor of full 100% employment. In this fictional world, jobs included streets-sweeper (which is what the main protagonist was at the start) and candle-makers.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2018 12:15:45 GMT -5
Automation is bad news for employment, especially in low skill/low creativity jobs. The $15 minimum wage for fast-food workers passed in some state/s (Washington, if i recall correctly) has prompted fast food chains to increase automation.
I've already seen it first-hand. I went into a McDonald's (in Kentucky i think) when I stopped (during a long drive to Ohio to see family). This McDonald's had 6 or so large touch screens for customers to place their own orders. Besides the burger-flippers in the back, one employee was out front, dedicated to educating customers that there's no longer a cashier to take orders and how to use the touch screens.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2018 14:00:29 GMT -5
It's probably going to take radical changes to the economy to solve this problem, but I don't think anyone's thought of an ideal solution yet.
Many ppl have talked about a universal basic income. But think about how that plays out, step by step. Eventually, in a society of mostly automation, there's so few workers left to pay enough taxes to cover the universal basic income of the majority. Next logical step, increase taxes on corporations. Problem with that is, corporations offset increased taxes by increasing the prices of their goods & services. Continue that cycle for too long and inflation spirals out of control. Same thing if the govt simply prints more money.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2018 18:29:13 GMT -5
Maybe we should do like the Chinese govt and assume 50% control of foreign investment. Except, instead of using those monies to grow our military in double digit %'s every year and building man-made islands w/ military installations & missile silos off the shorelines of our neighbors, use it towards universal basic income for unemployed Americans.
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Post by ForRealTho on Jun 11, 2018 18:30:32 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2018 13:58:05 GMT -5
Both parties are corrupt. Main difference, Dems get more passes and get away with more shit. Clinton scandals are proof positive. For example, everybody knows Hillary mishandled top secret classified documents on her private email server, even the FBI investigation admitted that much. But then they gave her a pass by denying it's a criminal act in her case (even though, if anybody else did it on a mere fraction of the scale, they would've certainly been convicted).
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Post by Ronhel on Jun 12, 2018 17:05:45 GMT -5
Si please tell me when Hillary was president, when she ever was president. You talk like a typical Trump asskisser. HILLARY never was president got that?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2018 17:14:25 GMT -5
Pfft.. Who would honestly believe that chart is strictly about presidents and not indictments/corruption charges of the people who served in their cabinets?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2018 10:26:53 GMT -5
My criticisms of our trade imbalance with China's authoritarian expansionist govt, and criticism of Hillary go back many years (in the Debate Club of the old forums), a long while before Trump entered politics. So I don't see how that qualifies as Trump ass-kissing. The reality is, millions of Americans felt that way about trade and job losses for years. Trump realized this after reading Santorum's book and then he successfully tapped into that playbook to help him win the election. Democrats either weren't paying attention or the trade imbalances/job losses was somehow part of their agenda. Whatever the case, if they had put up a candidate willing to address these issues, I might have been willing to vote for him/her. That said, I didn't vote for Trump. I favored a 3rd party candidate during the election. However, I didn't vote because I had recently moved and the state I moved to requires residency for at least 6 months for voting eligibility.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2018 11:57:11 GMT -5
imo, an important thing to consider when discussing China is that this isn't simply an us vs. them, or west vs. east issue. China has multiple ongoing territorial disputes with its neighbors in the east such as India, Vietnam, and even Japan. Probably the only neighboring nations it doesn't have border disputes with are Russia and North Korea. My ex-gf is from Vietnam and I brought up the topic of China once, and she said she thinks they're greedy. Vietnam is Communist too, so it's really not even a political dispute. China's hungry for economic, resource, and territorial domination. They want what the U.S. has - to be #1 in the world.
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Post by Ronhel on Jun 15, 2018 8:32:22 GMT -5
President Trump on @foxandfriends discussing Kim Jong-un: “He speaks and his people sit up at attention, I want my people to do the same...”
Trump sure wants to be a dictator, He does not consider us American people any more he thinks we are his people
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2018 9:22:04 GMT -5
Trump has no filter and doesn't think before he speaks (or tweets). i.e. diarrhea mouth.
New American presidents (from Clinton, Bush and up 'til now, anyway) believe themselves to be something special. In the first term of their presidencies, they think they can "reset" relations with countries like Russia and North Korea (because somehow, all their predecessors were doing it wrong). Then after the "I'm the best president evar!" honeymoon phase, reality sets in.
Trump's taking the idea of "reset" diplomacy to another level. Just a month or two ago, he was still calling the NK dictator "rocket-man." And now he's kissing ass for no apparent reason.
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Post by ForRealTho on Jun 15, 2018 9:33:18 GMT -5
Trump's taking the idea of "reset" diplomacy to another level. Just a month or two ago, he was still calling the NK dictator "rocket-man." And now he's kissing ass for no apparent reason. Because this isn't a traditional presidency its a reality TV show.
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