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Post by sj on Oct 12, 2024 12:41:39 GMT -5
Trump has a history of saying outlandish things, so it could be true. But, on the other hand, it's easy to fake stuff too w/ modern tech.
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Post by Cop on Oct 13, 2024 8:04:12 GMT -5
He'll say anything about anyone regardless the consequences. What's going to happen? Either he becomes president and none of it matters or he doesn't and it's just one more thing for the pile of offences, of which slander would be the least of his problems...
He's an extremely dangerous person to have around. He's almost like the Netanyahu of the US, willing to do whatever to anyone just to get/stay in power...
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Post by sj on Oct 13, 2024 12:14:54 GMT -5
Netanyahu is way more hawkish with use of military force than Trump. At least based on his first four years, this is one of the few redeeming qualities of Trump - his reluctance to get us into new wars. He seems to prefer screwing allies & enemies alike in business/economic negotiations.
imo, he's not much worse (in actions/policy) than the typical US politician. He just doesn't play the game (of politics) as well as they do because he barely has a filter and speaks off the cuff constantly, including insulting anyone who disagrees with him.
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Post by sj on Oct 13, 2024 13:22:19 GMT -5
Trump lies, all politicians lie.. But so does your precious mainstream media (owned and operated by billionaires). You don't have to listen to right-wing, fringe sources to come to this conclusion. Listen to their own words and employ some critical thinking. During Trump's campaigning for his first term and early into his presidency, they said he'd start WWIII and/or nuclear war. In the same breath, they accused of him colluding with Putin to rig the election and that he was Putin's pal. Both can't be true, because who were we gonna fight WWIII with if not Putin's Russia. Much of what they say is political and contrived BS, not impartial objective news.. which is why I like referencing India news sources, as they're at least mildly critical of the US and US policy. They offer more of 3rd party perspective. If you watch western media (right or left leaning), you get way too much political bias and propaganda.
imo, one of life lessons that most ppl never learn is that there are no good guys, especially in geo-politics.. everyone's looking out for their own strategic interests, including Israel, the US, and CCP/China (even if/when it's at the expense of their own peoples).
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Post by ForRealTho on Oct 13, 2024 15:27:06 GMT -5
they accused of him colluding with Putin to rig the election and that he was Putin's pal. I remember back in the day he would post on Twitter "THERE WAS NO COLLUSION!!!!!!!" and every Republican in the country made it seem like it was this big nothingburger conspiracy theory. The Mueller Report released and he said there probably was some kind of collusion but he didn't have any direct evidence of it then Trump said he was "TOTALLY EXONERATED!" Interestingly enough. Look what just came down last month: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Tenet_Media_investigationSo Trump himself wasn't in collusion with Russia but everyone else around him was. It was funny to see Tim Pool out of breathe after screaming "UKRAINE IS THE ENEMY OF THE US!!!". Wasn't part of Tim Pool's grift that he is a "former liberal"? Yeah a total liberal, till Russia starts sending you $400,000 a month.......
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Post by sj on Oct 13, 2024 20:55:03 GMT -5
they accused of him colluding with Putin to rig the election and that he was Putin's pal. I remember back in the day he would post on Twitter "THERE WAS NO COLLUSION!!!!!!!" and every Republican in the country made it seem like it was this big nothingburger conspiracy theory. The Mueller Report released and he said there probably was some kind of collusion but he didn't have any direct evidence of it then Trump said he was "TOTALLY EXONERATED!" Interestingly enough. Look what just came down last month: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Tenet_Media_investigationSo Trump himself wasn't in collusion with Russia but everyone else around him was. It was funny to see Tim Pool out of breathe after screaming "UKRAINE IS THE ENEMY OF THE US!!!". Wasn't part of Tim Pool's grift that he is a "former liberal"? Yeah a total liberal, till Russia starts sending you $400,000 a month....... I see nothing but "indicted" and "allegedly" in all of that. You actually need a "found guilty," or the like to claim it's not just conspiracy. DOJ (the government) doesn't lose cases that easily, unless they f'd up royally. My Business Law prof said, "you can't win a legal case against the government."
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Post by sj on Oct 13, 2024 21:18:18 GMT -5
I think the media's been using the word "indicted" incorrectly because of the number of ppl on the internet who now believe it means guilty. Indicted means someone's been accused, not necessarily guilty. Convicted means found guilty. Hate to break it to ya, but being "indicted" and then being let go actually means there's not enough evidence to prove guilt. Innocent until proven guilty is a major tenet of our legal system. /punz Here's an example of when you know for sure someone's found guilty in court, based on evidence and/or admission by the accused. www.cnn.com/2024/06/11/politics/hunter-biden-gun-trial-verdict/index.html
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Post by sj on Oct 13, 2024 21:30:29 GMT -5
Remember the Amber Heard case and how most people (including Babel here) just assumed Johnny Depp was guilty (he got blacklisted by Hollywood, etc) based on Heard's public (pre-trial) statements about him. People assumed she was innocent and Johnny was guilty, before the case had even started. Then Johnny produced phone call recordings in court and Amber repeatedly kept lying & contradicting herself on the stand, leaving the court no choice but to find her guilty.
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Post by sj on Oct 14, 2024 11:41:31 GMT -5
Now, I wouldn't put it past the Russians to try election tampering. But you have to figure there's a reason that the DOJ lost the case (no convictions) or maybe they dropped it (due to insufficient evidence). Whatever the reason, we can only speculate on it and speculation about unknown/unseen events falls under the conspiracy category.
If I had to speculate and let the conspiracy play out in my mind, it'd go something like this...
RT (under Putin's secret directive) used a shell company and Russian undercover agents/fraudsters to trick American social media influencers into doing their bidding. The 'lites didn't want to go after the influencers because they themselves (like Bush Jr, Pelosi, etc) have been duped by fraudsters on several occasions (into thinking they're talking to noteworthy or important people, etc). Thus, they don't want to look like hypocrites by going after influencers who fell to a scam like they did. When it comes to the Russian agents/fraudsters, somebody high up in the DOJ or higher decided to drop the charges because the Russians might retaliate (to our would-be convictions of the Russian agents) by detaining & jailing more Americans, which would be a PR nightmare in the US and erode public support for Ukraine (and the war against Russia). Some ppl might want revenge for Americans being captured & killed. But truth is, most modern Americans roll over & quit, or even protest, when they see Americans dying in conflicts - cold war, hot war, proxy war, or whatever kind of war. From Putin's angle (with him being quite intelligent), he would've made certain (every step of the way) that none of it could be traced back to him. Then the DOJ (and whoever controls them), may have given up on the case after realizing they had nothing to help them bring down the big dog or, at least, help fight the PR/information war against him. Again, mere speculation on my part.
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Post by sj on Oct 14, 2024 14:11:47 GMT -5
One of my personal conspiracy theories, which i thought of myself and haven't heard anywhere, is Trump (back while he was serving as president) already knew about US long-term strategic plans to shut off Europe's access to cheap Russian oil & gas (probably so we could sell them our more expensive oil & gas). imo, it's a conspiracy that's likely true because there are clips of Trump (on multiple occasions) warning the Germans that they should drop Russian oil & gas asap, without giving a clear explanation as to why (probably being top secret plan by the deep state/military/intelligence community).. if true, that'd go hand in hand with Trump being controlled opposition. i.e. he's not really opposed to the deep state, but covertly works with them and fools the American ppl into thinking they have choice in elections & Democracy. Like i said, I openly admit it's only a conspiracy theory. But it's one that seems very plausible imo.
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Post by sj on Oct 14, 2024 14:28:43 GMT -5
Trump telling the Germans to drop Russian oil was almost like saying the quiet part out loud (but as vaguely as possible, regarding the deep state's future plans). He didn't have to say anything. But he did so anyway, perhaps to give them early warning, so that they could prepare and wouldn't necessarily suffer as bad of a price shock when their access to cheap supply of oil & gas was suddenly & forceably cut off. Biden did something similar, except in a much more abrupt manner, when he very publicly stated that we'd take out the Nordstream 2 pipeline.
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Post by ForRealTho on Oct 15, 2024 9:27:14 GMT -5
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Post by Cop on Oct 16, 2024 11:55:38 GMT -5
I don't understand how you can be an American and a Nazi...
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Post by ForRealTho on Oct 16, 2024 15:01:21 GMT -5
I don't understand how you can be an American and a Nazi... You aren't American so I wouldn't expect you to know much about the US Civil War in the 1800s. I'm sure you have seen the Confederate Flag a few times online: That was the battle flag of the Southern States that tried to leave the Union. I've lived in the North most of my life outside of 7 years in Arizona which was sorta-kinda-in-the South during the Civil War but not really. Anyway, multiple times I have seen people in the North with the Confederate Flag on their truck or wearing it as a hat. They claim it is about honoring their ancestors or the "spirt of rebellion". I've also heard people say its about "white rural culture and has nothing to do with the south or racism" I call bullshit on all of that. It is a way of identifying as a conservative racist without coming out and saying so. The same people who are into the confederate flag are the same ones much more likely to be into Nazi shit.
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Post by sj on Oct 16, 2024 21:01:47 GMT -5
I don't understand how you can be an American and a Nazi... You aren't American so I wouldn't expect you to know much about the US Civil War in the 1800s. I'm sure you have seen the Confederate Flag a few times online: That was the battle flag of the Southern States that tried to leave the Union. I've lived in the North most of my life outside of 7 years in Arizona which was sorta-kinda-in-the South during the Civil War but not really. Anyway, multiple times I have seen people in the North with the Confederate Flag on their truck or wearing it as a hat. They claim it is about honoring their ancestors or the "spirt of rebellion". I've also heard people say its about "white rural culture and has nothing to do with the south or racism" I call bullshit on all of that. It is a way of identifying as a conservative racist without coming out and saying so. The same people who are into the confederate flag are the same ones much more likely to be into Nazi shit. As someone from the South, I agree 100% about people who fly the Confederate Flag. The Confederacy died when they lost the Civil War. These people should give it up already and stop using this flag (to covertly express their racism). I was raised in the Dallas area tho. Rural vs Urban (or suburb) are pretty much two separate cultures in the south, with rural people more likely to be bigoted. Rural being more geographically isolated with smaller populations vs the cities having large & more diverse populations (racist phobias tend to dissolve). Cop's probably referring to the Nazis being anti-freedom/Fascist, which (he's correct) is very anti-American. idk why either, but I'd just assume the type of Americans who'd embrace Nazism are morons.
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Post by Cop on Oct 17, 2024 11:21:49 GMT -5
They identify with the guys that got their asses wooped in WW2 and were the most anti-freedom you could ever get. If anything, they should want to identify with the US heroes of that era, when they were actually 'great', you know, the times their 'leader' refers to constantly.
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Post by sj on Oct 17, 2024 19:14:43 GMT -5
I doubt Nazis exist in sufficient numbers to take over the country anytime soon. To put this into perspective, I've yet to witness anyone flying the Nazis flag irl. I've only seen it in online photos.
The Confederate flag is uncommon, but not that rare. I've seen it in-person perhaps several times in my life. Last I recall seeing one - it was a rear window sticker on someone's truck in Memphis about 4-5 years ago.
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Post by ForRealTho on Nov 1, 2024 9:00:07 GMT -5
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Post by sj on Nov 1, 2024 11:17:32 GMT -5
What's odd is how Trump has said he's pro-choice many times in the past. I think the powers that be realize that we're on the edge of population collapse and they know we need more births in order to up the population for the coming war/s with China. Is it sheer irony that Texas historically has the highest military recruitment numbers - thus, there's more motive here, to benefit future recruitment, for this state than any other and it just so happens to be a state where they banned abortion? Trump (during his first term) was secretly recorded while sitting at the table with Democrats and talking about how to increase gun control/weapons bans. He repeatedly warned Germany to stop purchasing Russian oil & gas during his term also, years before the Ukraine war, so he clearly had insider knowledge of our (intelligence community's and military's) long-term strategic plans. I think this is enough evidence to support the argument that Trump's been assigned duty of being controlled opposition. If it's any consolation tho, the "damage" has been done. There's no longer a need on this issue to have Trump in office again. From a conspiracy pov (that the people don't choose the candidates for president, because from what i see we clearly don't), it's mission accomplished on the repopulation agenda. Time to allow the country's first minority woman serve as president.
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Post by sj on Nov 2, 2024 21:07:59 GMT -5
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