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Post by sj on Mar 20, 2024 11:37:18 GMT -5
It shows the heavy-handed approach that Trumps takes in politics, in his attempt to hijack the Republican party and the US politcal system.. pretty much like a dictator (wannabe). |
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Post by ForRealTho on Apr 7, 2024 12:03:25 GMT -5
That so dwarfs his responsibility for egging Ukraine on to lose hundreds of thousands of lives, and over a million wounded, that I won't discuss it. Though that war too could be ended by executive action today, instead of a year from now, after the AFU has run out of enough men and materiel to even fight a defensive war. So if Ukraine wants to fight to defend their country its "egging on"? During WW2 the Japanese invaded Alaska. Using your logic would should have just given Alaska to the Japanese, by defending Alaska we were "war mongering". www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2024/04/07/michael-mccaul-russian-propaganda-infected-gop-base-mike-turner-sotu-vpx.cnn |
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Post by sj on Apr 7, 2024 13:30:38 GMT -5
The US isn't egging them on as much as it is directly supplying military weapons via a debt crippling loan-lease program. Ukraine's debt burden will be enough to ensure that they become and remain a vassal state to the US for a good number of years (or decades).
Spreading freedom & democracy to the world, hell yeahs!
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Post by Babel-17 on Apr 8, 2024 17:24:59 GMT -5
That so dwarfs his responsibility for egging Ukraine on to lose hundreds of thousands of lives, and over a million wounded, that I won't discuss it. Though that war too could be ended by executive action today, instead of a year from now, after the AFU has run out of enough men and materiel to even fight a defensive war. So if Ukraine wants to fight to defend their country its "egging on"? During WW2 the Japanese invaded Alaska. Using your logic would should have just given Alaska to the Japanese, by defending Alaska we were "war mongering". www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2024/04/07/michael-mccaul-russian-propaganda-infected-gop-base-mike-turner-sotu-vpx.cnnYou write of "Ukraine" as if it was an individual, so OK, why then is Ukraine dodging the draft and refusing to return from Poland, Germany, Great Britain, and elsewhere to fight? Why is Ukraine giving their last cent to bribe guards or those doing the drafting, so they can avoid fighting, or escape the borders of Ukraine, and why does it take a van full of armed men to beat down young Ukrainians so they can be Shanghaied off the street, and into those blacked out vans? Why are thousands of young Russians enlisting every month, while thousands of young Ukrainians flee every month, and millions more refuse to return home though Zelenskyy is demanding that they do so? In our Civil War the bitter Rebel soldiers said "Rich man's war, but poor man's fight", but still they gritted their teeth and fought. So too in Ukraine, which is now presided over by a coke head near billionaire, one who canceled elections, and is now scheming to continue governing past May, when the Constitution says he will no longer be President, by getting the legislature to affirm some mumbo jumbo that will grant him the unprecedented right to stay in power. And let's not forget, unlike Zelenskyy, Lincoln didn't suspend elections, and he even had his former top General run against him. Ukraine fights because the West is paying its leaders a fortune for it do so, and like Goering said ... "Naturally the common people don't want war . . . but after all it is the leaders of a country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or parliament or a communist dictatorship. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country." P.S. Lol, did you just notice my post today? P.P.S. Zelenskyy won election by promising a lot of voters he'd fulfill the Minsk accords, and work for peace in the Donbas. The Ultra nationalists told him to fuck off with that talk, and Zelenskyy blinked. www.kyivpost.com/post/6652 |
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Post by Babel-17 on Apr 8, 2024 17:52:52 GMT -5
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Post by Babel-17 on Apr 8, 2024 18:01:14 GMT -5
The US isn't egging them on as much as it is directly supplying military weapons via a debt crippling loan-lease program. Ukraine's debt burden will be enough to ensure that they become and remain a vassal state to the US for a good number of years (or decades). Spreading freedom & democracy to the world, hell yeahs! The East of Ukraine has already been earmarked to fall under Western ownership or management, the deep level of debt should speed up the process, assuming those pesky Russian squatters don't occupy it. Lots of lithium, other minerals, and farmland with topsoil so thick it's almost unbelievable. www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/08/10/ukraine-russia-energy-mineral-wealth/ |
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Post by sj on Apr 8, 2024 22:21:17 GMT -5
Hush there, Babel. The mainstream will label you a Putin puppet and put your name on a secret blacklist.  I've said this already, but i'm of the opinion that there are no "good guys" in the Ukraine war. It's history repeating - yet another war where opposing sides are fighting over who has access to rich resources (under the guise of their being on the correct side of politics and history). Even in the Japan WWII example, there's more to it (by looking back a little further in time) than our school history textbooks told us. The actual root cause was a fight over access to resources (particularly oil/energy) in Asia. The US choked Japan from access to resources in Asia for many years preceding the war and, eventually, Japan became desperate enough to retaliate with their attack on Pearl Harbor. |
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Post by sj on Apr 8, 2024 22:38:15 GMT -5
I don't know if I agree with everything he said, but it's an interesting analysis of how the upcoming US presidential election is (already) and will impact international diplomacy and the many global conflicts now raging.
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Post by ForRealTho on Apr 9, 2024 9:35:08 GMT -5
Holy shit dude. You are so lost down the right wing rabbit hole I don't think you can even see the light at the end of the tunnel. Not sure where to begin so lets start with calling Zelensky a coke head....do you know anything about Putin's drug use? Let me guess, Putin is fighting the "deep state" and he would never degrade himself with drugs unlike Zelenskyy? How in the world does whether or not a politician in Ukraine does drugs have any relevance on Russia invading a country? You actually think that Russians cannot wait to sign up for Putin's war? I'm not sure how to even respond to that. Its so out of touch with reality I'm having difficulty processing it. I've been following this Russian YouTuber off an on for years. He finally got to Europe: Let me guess Zelensky and the "deep state" are paying him to say the negative things he says about Russia? Are you going to go into his comments and insult him for being a traitor? Question.....do you think the Sandy Hook shooting happened? Also yes, I just saw your post a few days ago. I have been busy with other things. Arguing about politics on SCMB is not highest on my list of things to do. You write of "Ukraine" as if it was an individual, so OK, why then is Ukraine dodging the draft and refusing to return from Poland, Germany, Great Britain, and elsewhere to fight? Why is Ukraine giving their last cent to bribe guards or those doing the drafting, so they can avoid fighting, or escape the borders of Ukraine, and why does it take a van full of armed men to beat down young Ukrainians so they can be Shanghaied off the street, and into those blacked out vans? Why are thousands of young Russians enlisting every month, while thousands of young Ukrainians flee every month, and millions more refuse to return home though Zelenskyy is demanding that they do so? In our Civil War the bitter Rebel soldiers said "Rich man's war, but poor man's fight", but still they gritted their teeth and fought. So too in Ukraine, which is now presided over by a coke head near billionaire, one who canceled elections, and is now scheming to continue governing past May, when the Constitution says he will no longer be President, by getting the legislature to affirm some mumbo jumbo that will grant him the unprecedented right to stay in power. And let's not forget, unlike Zelenskyy, Lincoln didn't suspend elections, and he even had his former top General run against him. Ukraine fights because the West is paying its leaders a fortune for it do so, and like Goering said ... "Naturally the common people don't want war . . . but after all it is the leaders of a country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or parliament or a communist dictatorship. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country." P.S. Lol, did you just notice my post today? P.P.S. Zelenskyy won election by promising a lot of voters he'd fulfill the Minsk accords, and work for peace in the Donbas. The Ultra nationalists told him to fuck off with that talk, and Zelenskyy blinked. www.kyivpost.com/post/6652 |
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Post by Babel-17 on Apr 9, 2024 10:06:04 GMT -5
Holy shit dude. You are so lost down the right wing rabbit hole I don't think you can even see the light at the end of the tunnel. Not sure where to begin so lets start with calling Zelensky a coke head....do you know anything about Putin's drug use? Let me guess, Putin is fighting the "deep state" and he would never degrade himself with drugs unlike Zelenskyy? How in the world does whether or not a politician in Ukraine does drugs have any relevance on Russia invading a country? You actually think that Russians cannot wait to sign up for Putin's war? I'm not sure how to even respond to that. Its so out of touch with reality I'm having difficulty processing it. I've been following this Russian YouTuber off an on for years. He finally got to Europe: Let me guess Zelensky and the "deep state" are paying him to say the negative things he says about Russia? Are you going to go into his comments and insult him for being a traitor? Question.....do you think the Sandy Hook shooting happened? Also yes, I just saw your post a few days ago. I have been busy with other things. Arguing about politics on SCMB is not highest on my list of things to do. You write of "Ukraine" as if it was an individual, so OK, why then is Ukraine dodging the draft and refusing to return from Poland, Germany, Great Britain, and elsewhere to fight? Why is Ukraine giving their last cent to bribe guards or those doing the drafting, so they can avoid fighting, or escape the borders of Ukraine, and why does it take a van full of armed men to beat down young Ukrainians so they can be Shanghaied off the street, and into those blacked out vans? Why are thousands of young Russians enlisting every month, while thousands of young Ukrainians flee every month, and millions more refuse to return home though Zelenskyy is demanding that they do so? In our Civil War the bitter Rebel soldiers said "Rich man's war, but poor man's fight", but still they gritted their teeth and fought. So too in Ukraine, which is now presided over by a coke head near billionaire, one who canceled elections, and is now scheming to continue governing past May, when the Constitution says he will no longer be President, by getting the legislature to affirm some mumbo jumbo that will grant him the unprecedented right to stay in power. And let's not forget, unlike Zelenskyy, Lincoln didn't suspend elections, and he even had his former top General run against him. Ukraine fights because the West is paying its leaders a fortune for it do so, and like Goering said ... "Naturally the common people don't want war . . . but after all it is the leaders of a country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or parliament or a communist dictatorship. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country." P.S. Lol, did you just notice my post today? P.P.S. Zelenskyy won election by promising a lot of voters he'd fulfill the Minsk accords, and work for peace in the Donbas. The Ultra nationalists told him to fuck off with that talk, and Zelenskyy blinked. www.kyivpost.com/post/6652You lowered the discussion by use of an ad hominem attack, and that's my signal to bid you adieu. Adieu! |
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Post by ForRealTho on Apr 9, 2024 10:09:26 GMT -5
Holy shit dude. You are so lost down the right wing rabbit hole I don't think you can even see the light at the end of the tunnel. Not sure where to begin so lets start with calling Zelensky a coke head....do you know anything about Putin's drug use? Let me guess, Putin is fighting the "deep state" and he would never degrade himself with drugs unlike Zelenskyy? How in the world does whether or not a politician in Ukraine does drugs have any relevance on Russia invading a country? You actually think that Russians cannot wait to sign up for Putin's war? I'm not sure how to even respond to that. Its so out of touch with reality I'm having difficulty processing it. I've been following this Russian YouTuber off an on for years. He finally got to Europe: Let me guess Zelensky and the "deep state" are paying him to say the negative things he says about Russia? Are you going to go into his comments and insult him for being a traitor? Question.....do you think the Sandy Hook shooting happened? Also yes, I just saw your post a few days ago. I have been busy with other things. Arguing about politics on SCMB is not highest on my list of things to do. You lowered the discussion by use of an ad hominem attack, and that's my signal to bid you adieu. Adieu! Says the guy that justified a war where thousands have died by using an ad hominem attack. |
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Post by sj on Apr 9, 2024 10:21:51 GMT -5
Well, this war is objectively an L for Biden and Democrats who've been pushing it (like Zelinsky's crack dealer). Ukraine has lost literally hundreds of thousands of troops and the war only started in 2022! A quick internet search and it appears that the mainstream stopped reporting updated casuality numbers months ago. What a coincidence in timing with the elections coming soon..
Contrast that to Afghanistan, which you yourself (ForReal) once described as "bloodbath" (2459 US military KIA during the entire 20 years war) and that being your justification for Biden pulling US forces as abruptly as possible.
Worse still, team Biden left our former Afghan allies behind to be tortured and slaughtered by the Taliban.
2,459 US military KIA's was where we drew the line for ourselves and pulled the plug.. please explain, how is setting the bar so high for Afghanistan (then) and Ukraine (now) to hundreds of thousands (or no limit) in losses and expect them to keep on fighting to the bitter end logically consistent with losses we find acceptable for ourselves? Oh, they're not Americans so who gives a shit.. amiright?
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Post by ForRealTho on Apr 9, 2024 11:01:38 GMT -5
Well, this war is objectively an L for Biden and Democrats who've been pushing it ( like Zelinsky's crack dealer). Ukraine has lost literally hundreds of thousands of troops and the war only started in 2022! A quick internet search and it appears that the mainstream stopped reporting updated casuality numbers months ago. What a coincidence in timing with the elections coming soon.. Contrast that to Afghanistan, which you yourself (ForReal) once described as "bloodbath" (2459 US military KIA during the entire 20 years war) and that being your justification for Biden pulling US forces as abruptly as possible. Worse still, team Biden left our former Afghan allies behind to be tortured and slaughtered by the Taliban. 2,459 US military KIA's was where we drew the line for ourselves and pulled the plug.. please explain, how is setting the bar so high for Afghanistan (then) and Ukraine (now) to hundreds of thousands (or no limit) in losses and expect them to keep on fighting to the bitter end logically consistent with losses we find acceptable for ourselves? Oh, they're not Americans so who gives a shit.. amiright? Where is this weird obsession with Zelensky's alleged drug use coming from? Again I don't know how you and Babel-17 are so convinced Zelensky is strung out on drugs but Putin is not and how it is in anyway relevant to the war. Putin and western analysts thought that Russia would defeat Ukraine in a couple of days. Russian demographics are absolutely horrific, Putin thought that by invading Ukraine he would get a bunch of new Russian citizens and territory with minimal bloodshed. That turned out to be completely wrong, and now Russia and Ukraine's demographic crisis is worse then before. Russia could barely even make it to Kyiv let alone take it over. The long term prospects for Russia as a country are very bleak now with how many young men have fled the country or died. You brought up Afghanistan out of nowhere, I've been opposed to the war in Iraq(which you didn't mention for some odd reason) and Afghanistan since Day 1. Us being there didn't accomplish anything at all. I've actually talked to a solider who was stationed in Afghanistan at length about the war and even he struggled to figure out one thing the war accomplished. You and Babel-17 are only interesting in right wing narratives it seems. Funny you are so "anti-war" (as far as it benefits Russia). What were you guys saying back in 2003-2005 or so? Every right winger I know was 100% "Support Our Troops!" and viewed war as a good thing. Anyone who was opposed to the invasion was basically called a coward. The right is all about hating "cancel culture" but wanted Tim Robbins and Susan Sarandon cancelled asap for being opposed to the war: www.theguardian.com/world/2003/sep/03/usa.filmnewsNow these days the right seems to want Russia to take over Ukraine in full and anyone who opposes this is a "war monger" (lol) If after he is done with Ukraine Putin invades Poland I assume we should just give it to him? |
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Post by ForRealTho on Apr 9, 2024 13:11:29 GMT -5
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Post by sj on Apr 9, 2024 15:03:42 GMT -5
Well, this war is objectively an L for Biden and Democrats who've been pushing it ( like Zelinsky's crack dealer). Ukraine has lost literally hundreds of thousands of troops and the war only started in 2022! A quick internet search and it appears that the mainstream stopped reporting updated casuality numbers months ago. What a coincidence in timing with the elections coming soon.. Contrast that to Afghanistan, which you yourself (ForReal) once described as "bloodbath" (2459 US military KIA during the entire 20 years war) and that being your justification for Biden pulling US forces as abruptly as possible. Worse still, team Biden left our former Afghan allies behind to be tortured and slaughtered by the Taliban. 2,459 US military KIA's was where we drew the line for ourselves and pulled the plug.. please explain, how is setting the bar so high for Afghanistan (then) and Ukraine (now) to hundreds of thousands (or no limit) in losses and expect them to keep on fighting to the bitter end logically consistent with losses we find acceptable for ourselves? Oh, they're not Americans so who gives a shit.. amiright? I hadn't heard of his alleged drug use until today's posts here. That was just one-time icebreaker/joke because this thread needed one. Nobody here ever heard crack jokes before? The rest I search engined the KIA stats from these wars and copied from the first result - nothing cherry picked from wing-nut sites. |
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Post by sj on Apr 9, 2024 15:18:44 GMT -5
Now these days the right seems to want Russia to take over Ukraine in full and anyone who opposes this is a "war monger" (lol) If after he is done with Ukraine Putin invades Poland I assume we should just give it to him? I don't want Russia to win, but the tide appears in their favor. I'm just a pessismist when it comes to war. What's the end-game and what good are we really acomplishing? How many wars has our government won post-WWII? None, I think (and I don't fault our military's capabilties). Thus, I must question if winning is the true objective (by US govt and MIC) in any of these post-WWII wars w/ US involvement. If we're not fighting to win (which seems to be the case, since we're not committing troops, not officially) the tremendous loss of life is futile and in vain (given the current direction the war is heading). |
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Post by sj on Apr 9, 2024 15:27:47 GMT -5
France's Emmanuel Macron has committed some troops to Ukraine. France has more resolve to make tough choices, sacrifice blood of their own countrymen, than the US MIC (who's probably mostly in it for raking in $$'s w/ weapons sales).
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Post by sj on Apr 9, 2024 15:54:18 GMT -5
What if the shoe was on the other foot and Russia encroached right up to our borders? Oh wait, that happened in Cuba with the Bay of Pigs.
Obviously, our choice to invade Cuba (and fail) wasn't the right one either, not anymore than Russia's invasion. However, it's historic evidence that we react similarly and choose invasion, like as Russia has done (when they or we perceive foreign aggressors getting right up on our borders).
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Post by sj on Apr 9, 2024 17:05:40 GMT -5
Well, this war is objectively an L for Biden and Democrats who've been pushing it ( like Zelinsky's crack dealer). Ukraine has lost literally hundreds of thousands of troops and the war only started in 2022! A quick internet search and it appears that the mainstream stopped reporting updated casuality numbers months ago. What a coincidence in timing with the elections coming soon.. Contrast that to Afghanistan, which you yourself (ForReal) once described as "bloodbath" (2459 US military KIA during the entire 20 years war) and that being your justification for Biden pulling US forces as abruptly as possible. Worse still, team Biden left our former Afghan allies behind to be tortured and slaughtered by the Taliban. 2,459 US military KIA's was where we drew the line for ourselves and pulled the plug.. please explain, how is setting the bar so high for Afghanistan (then) and Ukraine (now) to hundreds of thousands (or no limit) in losses and expect them to keep on fighting to the bitter end logically consistent with losses we find acceptable for ourselves? Oh, they're not Americans so who gives a shit.. amiright? Where is this weird obsession with Zelensky's alleged drug use coming from? Again I don't know how you and Babel-17 are so convinced Zelensky is strung out on drugs but Putin is not and how it is in anyway relevant to the war. Putin and western analysts thought that Russia would defeat Ukraine in a couple of days. Russian demographics are absolutely horrific, Putin thought that by invading Ukraine he would get a bunch of new Russian citizens and territory with minimal bloodshed. That turned out to be completely wrong, and now Russia and Ukraine's demographic crisis is worse then before. Russia could barely even make it to Kyiv let alone take it over. The long term prospects for Russia as a country are very bleak now with how many young men have fled the country or died. You brought up Afghanistan out of nowhere, I've been opposed to the war in Iraq(which you didn't mention for some odd reason) and Afghanistan since Day 1. Us being there didn't accomplish anything at all. I've actually talked to a solider who was stationed in Afghanistan at length about the war and even he struggled to figure out one thing the war accomplished. You and Babel-17 are only interesting in right wing narratives it seems. Funny you are so "anti-war" (as far as it benefits Russia). What were you guys saying back in 2003-2005 or so? Every right winger I know was 100% "Support Our Troops!" and viewed war as a good thing. Anyone who was opposed to the invasion was basically called a coward. The right is all about hating "cancel culture" but wanted Tim Robbins and Susan Sarandon cancelled asap for being opposed to the war: www.theguardian.com/world/2003/sep/03/usa.filmnewsNow these days the right seems to want Russia to take over Ukraine in full and anyone who opposes this is a "war monger" (lol) If after he is done with Ukraine Putin invades Poland I assume we should just give it to him? You're transcribing alot of ideas/statements on us that we never said, like calling ppl cowards for opposing war. I think you're right that there was less push-back against the war in Afghanistan though, but for different reasons. Most Democrat and Republican politicians supported it (until Biden became pres) and most Americans supported it because the majority thought they (a Taliban controlled Afghanistan) were home base for the terror training camps which trained the terrorist behind 9/11 (a direct attack on American soil - something Russia has never done insofar as i'm aware). Also, less than 2500 US troops died in a 20 years war in Afghanistan, which has to be some kind of record. Vs people hear about hundreds of thousands dying in Ukraine, naturally there's going to be more push-back, regardless of politics. That's likely the main reason (crazy high KIA stats - 40,934 KIA) why the Vietnam war became so unpopular too - a fraction compared to Ukraine now, but still high. |
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Post by ForRealTho on Apr 10, 2024 9:07:54 GMT -5
What if the shoe was on the other foot and Russia encroached right up to our borders? Oh wait, that happened in Cuba with the Bay of Pigs. Obviously, our choice to invade Cuba (and fail) wasn't the right one either, not anymore than Russia's invasion. However, it's historic evidence that we react similarly and choose invasion, like as Russia has done (when they or we perceive foreign aggressors getting right up on our borders). I didn't realize a country just existing was "encroaching". Terrible analogy. Cuba had nukes pointed at the US stationed there. A better comparison to Cuba would be Turkey. The Ottoman Empire(precursor to Turkey) was the enemy of the Russian empire for hundreds of years, imagine their horror when Turkey joined NATO. Russia has been invading countries forever and ever. Just ask Richard Nixon, hes a right wing whack job so you can you trust him: |
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Post by sj on Apr 10, 2024 10:46:38 GMT -5
What if the shoe was on the other foot and Russia encroached right up to our borders? Oh wait, that happened in Cuba with the Bay of Pigs. Obviously, our choice to invade Cuba (and fail) wasn't the right one either, not anymore than Russia's invasion. However, it's historic evidence that we react similarly and choose invasion, like as Russia has done (when they or we perceive foreign aggressors getting right up on our borders). I didn't realize a country just existing was "encroaching". Terrible analogy. Cuba had nukes pointed at the US stationed there. A better comparison to Cuba would be Turkey. The Ottoman Empire(precursor to Turkey) was the enemy of the Russian empire for hundreds of years, imagine their horror when Turkey joined NATO. Russia has been invading countries forever and ever. Just ask Richard Nixon, hes a right wing whack job so you can you trust him: Actually, Ukraine had nukes not long ago (and they still have the know-how), but they voluntarily gave them up to appease Russia in a peace deal. A mistake in hindsight because Russia lied. But Ukraine learnt their lesson and, if/when they become a NATO member (going forward), there's little doubt they'd start up a nuke program again as deterent against future Russia invasions. Russia knows this, which is why they're not going to give up, even after considerable losses. Team Biden's end-game seems to be banking on Russia just giving up after such & such losses, but I don't see that happening when there's this much at stake (a potential NATO, nuclear power at their doorstep) if Russia simply withdrew from the current war. |
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Post by sj on Apr 10, 2024 10:52:54 GMT -5
What if the shoe was on the other foot and Russia encroached right up to our borders? Oh wait, that happened in Cuba with the Bay of Pigs. Obviously, our choice to invade Cuba (and fail) wasn't the right one either, not anymore than Russia's invasion. However, it's historic evidence that we react similarly and choose invasion, like as Russia has done (when they or we perceive foreign aggressors getting right up on our borders). It really is tho, from Russia's pov, when you consider Ukraine's desire to join the western alliance NATO. Also, during GW's presidency, we had a plan in place to build missile defense bases all throughout the former Soviet block countries. Then Obama got in there and immediately dismantled the program because he naively thought he could reset relations with Russia. |
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Post by sj on Apr 10, 2024 21:20:53 GMT -5
What if the shoe was on the other foot and Russia encroached right up to our borders? Oh wait, that happened in Cuba with the Bay of Pigs. Obviously, our choice to invade Cuba (and fail) wasn't the right one either, not anymore than Russia's invasion. However, it's historic evidence that we react similarly and choose invasion, like as Russia has done (when they or we perceive foreign aggressors getting right up on our borders). I didn't realize a country just existing was "encroaching". Terrible analogy. Cuba had nukes pointed at the US stationed there. A better comparison to Cuba would be Turkey. The Ottoman Empire(precursor to Turkey) was the enemy of the Russian empire for hundreds of years, imagine their horror when Turkey joined NATO. Russia has been invading countries forever and ever. Just ask Richard Nixon, hes a right wing whack job so you can you trust him: The aggression has been a two-way street though, because they've also been invaded and bullied throughout history, perhpas more than any other country. imo, they're paranoid about the happenings near their borders for good reason, on a historical basis. Just consider the devastation and massive casualites wrought on them by Nazi Germany in WWII. I believe that's the largest death toll any nation suffered, up to this point in history. |
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Post by sj on Apr 10, 2024 21:26:14 GMT -5
Poland is NATO member that actually pays more than the US asks of them, so not even Trump could muster an excuse for disobeying NATO's Article 5. Although, Poland is a rising economic (tech sector) star in Europe and therefore, if full-scale WWIII were to actually break out, they'd be one of Russia's prime targets.
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Post by sj on Apr 14, 2024 3:18:11 GMT -5
You and Babel-17 are only interesting in right wing narratives it seems. Funny you are so "anti-war" (as far as it benefits Russia). What were you guys saying back in 2003-2005 or so? Every right winger I know was 100% "Support Our Troops!" and viewed war as a good thing. Anyone who was opposed to the invasion was basically called a coward. I was there on the old forums and i've been reading Babel's posts on politics for years. He's always been a critic of Bush Jr and the wars promoted by the Bush admin. imo, these are times, under both Trump and now Biden, that sticking with your party's current leadership isn't necessarily the same as sticking to your principles. Not all Democrats PotUS's follow the same path. Obama was never as pro-Israel as Biden, for instance. Biden, being vocally pro-Israel appears to be stirring a hornets nest in the Middle-East, with mulitple new conflicts igniting and terror groups becoming active just recently during his term. I've read that Iran sent drone attacks against an Israeli target yesterday. A war with Iran could easily escalate to WWIII, since Iran and Russia are close allies (high probabilty of Russia coming to their defense). WWIII (with Russia, China) is something to be avoided at almost any cost because the chance of world-ending global nuke war would be high. I understand that Biden's trying to show strength and deter attacks by being so emphatic in his support of Israel, but adversaries see how he's handled Afghanistan, Ukraine and don't perceive him as much of a threat. And thus, they respond to Biden with more anger than fear. |
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Post by sj on Apr 14, 2024 3:56:03 GMT -5
This is a clusterfuck.
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Post by ForRealTho on Apr 15, 2024 9:37:05 GMT -5
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Post by ForRealTho on Apr 16, 2024 9:01:40 GMT -5
I remember some Trump supporter said that cities "turned into war zones under Biden" Ok then.......so I guess Biden can take credit for this? 80% reduction in murders is good www.reddit.com/r/pittsburgh/s/bUy7pPx5Sw |
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Post by sj on Apr 21, 2024 12:20:13 GMT -5
I remember some Trump supporter said that cities "turned into war zones under Biden" Ok then.......so I guess Biden can take credit for this? 80% reduction in murders is good www.reddit.com/r/pittsburgh/s/bUy7pPx5SwIt's not hard to look back 4-5 years and recall events. The left made a huge push and mass protests across the country to "defund the police" in 2020, during the "mostly peaceful protests." And, as a result, many cities did defund the police. When Biden got in office, he griped at these cities' leaders to refund the police and they did (year over year), and thus crime stats improve. Amazing how funding the police reduces crime, I know. |
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Post by sj on Apr 21, 2024 12:43:35 GMT -5
You write of "Ukraine" as if it was an individual, so OK, why then is Ukraine dodging the draft and refusing to return from Poland, Germany, Great Britain, and elsewhere to fight? Why is Ukraine giving their last cent to bribe guards or those doing the drafting, so they can avoid fighting, or escape the borders of Ukraine, and why does it take a van full of armed men to beat down young Ukrainians so they can be Shanghaied off the street, and into those blacked out vans? Why are thousands of young Russians enlisting every month, while thousands of young Ukrainians flee every month, and millions more refuse to return home though Zelenskyy is demanding that they do so? In our Civil War the bitter Rebel soldiers said "Rich man's war, but poor man's fight", but still they gritted their teeth and fought. So too in Ukraine, which is now presided over by a coke head near billionaire, one who canceled elections, and is now scheming to continue governing past May, when the Constitution says he will no longer be President, by getting the legislature to affirm some mumbo jumbo that will grant him the unprecedented right to stay in power. And let's not forget, unlike Zelenskyy, Lincoln didn't suspend elections, and he even had his former top General run against him.Ukraine fights because the West is paying its leaders a fortune for it do so, and like Goering said ... "Naturally the common people don't want war . . . but after all it is the leaders of a country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or parliament or a communist dictatorship. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country." P.S. Lol, did you just notice my post today? P.P.S. Zelenskyy won election by promising a lot of voters he'd fulfill the Minsk accords, and work for peace in the Donbas. The Ultra nationalists told him to fuck off with that talk, and Zelenskyy blinked. www.kyivpost.com/post/6652But blue-haired lady in Congress says we're helping to defend Democracy. Actually, it's not just Lincoln who didn't suspend elections in the US. The United States has never done that in its entire history. |
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