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Post by Emig5m on Feb 27, 2024 1:04:10 GMT -5
I didn't realize that the 4090 was like 82% faster than my 3080Ti in 4k (in game, not synthetic tests) until I seen a recent reddit post where someone showed their 3080Ti vs 4090 in a bunch of games and some games was nearly double the framerate at 4k! I didn't expect that much of a jump from one gen to the next, especially at 4k. I was originally just going to skip the 4000 series and wait for the next but it's such a pain in the ass to get a new GPU at release anymore and the last two gens I had to buy at near the end of the series because they were always too hard to get, like I'm not camping on Microcenters sidewalk in the freezing to try to get a videocard, lol. I'm definitely going to need a new case. My 24 year old case I've had to cut more and more out of it to fit each new gen card and the 4090 might not fit no matter how much more I cut out of the inside. I love the case though, 11 drive bays. I use a lot of hard drives both mechanical (storage) and solid state (performance) because I do a lot of video recording and editing at 4k. I literally filled a 12TB drive with just my drone video and pics so I'm no small timer with needing HD space and drive bays. Wait for the 5000 series or YOLO and get the 4090 (plus new case) now...? It's winter time, I'm bored, I need a new toy, lol...
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Post by Coolverine on Feb 27, 2024 1:05:37 GMT -5
I say if you can afford it, go for it. I have a vanilla 3080 and have been thinking about going for the 4080, 4080 Super, or the 4090. Although I'm pretty sure a 4090 would cost more now.
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Post by Emig5m on Feb 27, 2024 1:12:58 GMT -5
I say if you can afford it, go for it. I have a vanilla 3080 and have been thinking about going for the 4080, 4080 Super, or the 4090. Although I'm pretty sure a 4090 would cost more now. I can afford it, but I'm still thinking that warm weather is around the corner and I don't do much gaming in the summer (out ATV riding, working late, etc.) and thought by next winter the 5000 series might be close or is it still far off? I really don't pay attention to GPU news anymore and just usually buy a new card when I can just drive to Microcenter and pick one off the shelf without hassle. My local Microcenter has plenty of 4090s in stock. But with the cost of a new case on top of and warmer weather coming would I be really benefiting from it... But if say, the 5000 series is two full years away then I guess I should get the 4090 now... |
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Post by Coolverine on Feb 27, 2024 1:32:56 GMT -5
Yeah I hate running even my 3080 when it's hot outside, makes it warmer in my house. I had a GTX 1070 before but I built a PC for my nephew with it, which he is really enjoying. The 3080 was a massive upgrade, but along with it came a ton of extra power usage and heat. I actually turn down the power level on it so it uses less power and heat, seems to actually work.
From what I've heard the 4090 is basically a brute force GPU card that can run anything at max settings and high framerates. If they make a 5090 I may way for that though, or at least try to get one.
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Post by Emig5m on Feb 27, 2024 1:51:07 GMT -5
Yeah I hate running even my 3080 when it's hot outside, makes it warmer in my house. I had a GTX 1070 before but I built a PC for my nephew with it, which he is really enjoying. The 3080 was a massive upgrade, but along with it came a ton of extra power usage and heat. I actually turn down the power level on it so it uses less power and heat, seems to actually work. From what I've heard the 4090 is basically a brute force GPU card that can run anything at max settings and high framerates. If they make a 5090 I may way for that though, or at least try to get one. I think that my PS5 actually measured more heat output than my 3080Ti (I used a infrared temp gun) although they both work great as a space heaters when under load lol. IDK, I'll think it over the next few days to get the 4090 now or wait. Would be nice to have it for the release of Horizon Forbidden West at the end of March... I already have a EVGA 1000w Gold rated PSU so I should be good to go there... |
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Post by Coolverine on Feb 27, 2024 4:52:24 GMT -5
The Microcenter near me actually has 4090's in stock, may bite the bullet and get one. With my luck though the prices will probably drop right after buying one. My PSU is 850W but it's a really good one (Seasonic Prime Titanium), the requirements for the 4090 say 850W is the minimum. Currently I've seen my PC use up to 580W under load, so hopefully the 4090 wouldn't exceed 850. I think there's PSU calculators out there where I could check for sure, I know my CPU loves to suck power.
*edit* Looks like it should be okay with a 4090:
Did try the PSU calc on newegg.com and it recommends 800-899 watt though.
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Post by ForRealTho on Feb 27, 2024 8:13:47 GMT -5
I literally just debated this myself a couple weeks ago. I went with the 4080 Super because the 50X0 is next year and I didn't feel like paying the top end tax. The 4080 Super is plenty fast still.
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Post by Cop on Feb 27, 2024 12:45:00 GMT -5
I've heard future videocards (and computers) are going to be even better and faster...
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Post by ForRealTho on Feb 27, 2024 15:52:50 GMT -5
The Microcenter near me actually has 4090's in stock, may bite the bullet and get one. With my luck though the prices will probably drop right after buying one. My PSU is 850W but it's a really good one (Seasonic Prime Titanium), the requirements for the 4090 say 850W is the minimum. Currently I've seen my PC use up to 580W under load, so hopefully the 4090 wouldn't exceed 850. I think there's PSU calculators out there where I could check for sure, I know my CPU loves to suck power. *edit* Looks like it should be okay with a 4090:
Did try the PSU calc on newegg.com and it recommends 800-899 watt though.
Back in the day last time I built a desktop PC Power and Cooling was considered the best PSU........I can't for the life of me remember how many watts my last PSU was in the system I build in mid 2007 right before BioShock came out. That was the last desktop I owned before the current one. |
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Post by Coolverine on Feb 27, 2024 19:32:32 GMT -5
One thing I did forget is that the new RTX 4000 series have that new power connector that seems like a pain. If I do get one, I may also look into getting a new PSU that has that connection, that way don't have to use that bulky adapter.
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Post by ForRealTho on Feb 27, 2024 23:04:34 GMT -5
They did a damn good job on my pre-built so I didn't have to worry about that connector. They did too good of a job actually, the cables are very tight with zip-ties to the point I don't know how I can cut the ties without damaging the cables that control the AIO and such.
I also have an 850watt 80 plus PSU, no idea if its amazing quality or not. Hopefully good enough for the 5 series.
I have an APC UPS coming tomorrow, I was on a laptop so long I forgot what it was like to upgrade the BIOS on a computer with no battery, nerve wracking especially since I get power outages from time to time, usually only over the summer but still.
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Post by Emig5m on Feb 28, 2024 1:24:24 GMT -5
What the heck is up with this connector that you guys are talking about? I'm definitely not upgrading my PSU already...I went with a name brand 1000w PSU so that it would last the long haul! This is my PSU here. Does it have this connector? Also, while I was looking up my order with the PSU & 3080Ti it said that my 3080Ti was eligible for a trade in, this is what they offered trade in:
Yea, or nea?
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Post by Emig5m on Feb 28, 2024 1:33:13 GMT -5
Review on Microcenter says that they were running the 4090 with my PSU so I guess I should be good to go?
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Post by Coolverine on Feb 28, 2024 2:23:45 GMT -5
On the RTX 4000 series, they just have a different kind of 12v connector than the standard 8-pin ones. As far as I know, the videocard should come with an adapter to connect it using the standard 8-pin ones (think it takes 3), which does make it kinda bulky. On newer PSU's they've been adding a specific power connector for it though.
Only thing I've heard is sometimes people have had to run their PC with the side panel off, because the power connector is too big for it to go back on.
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Post by Coolverine on Feb 28, 2024 4:47:56 GMT -5
The Microcenter near me actually has 4090's in stock, may bite the bullet and get one. With my luck though the prices will probably drop right after buying one. My PSU is 850W but it's a really good one (Seasonic Prime Titanium), the requirements for the 4090 say 850W is the minimum. Currently I've seen my PC use up to 580W under load, so hopefully the 4090 wouldn't exceed 850. I think there's PSU calculators out there where I could check for sure, I know my CPU loves to suck power. *edit* Looks like it should be okay with a 4090:
Did try the PSU calc on newegg.com and it recommends 800-899 watt though.
Back in the day last time I built a desktop PC Power and Cooling was considered the best PSU........I can't for the life of me remember how many watts my last PSU was in the system I build in mid 2007 right before BioShock came out. That was the last desktop I owned before the current one. I have a PCP&C 610w I used for many years, it's actually slightly longer than standard PSU's and has an 80mm fan in the back instead of a big fan that's normally in the bottom/top. It actually got hit by a surge one time, lighting struck outside very close and it messed the voltages all up, had to send it to them and they repaired it and sent it back to me. Continued using it for quite a while after that too. That lightning strike also killed my first LCD monitor, was a Dell 20" 4:3 one. Also messed up my videocard but it was replaced under warranty by EVGA, which I am really going to miss their videocards.
Now I use a battery backup.
I think Seasonic is one of the best PSU brands out there, their "Prime" units come with a 12 year warranty so they must really stand behind it.
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Post by ForRealTho on Feb 28, 2024 9:04:00 GMT -5
I'm definitely going to need a new case. My 24 year old case I've had to cut more and more out of it to fit each new gen card and the 4090 might not fit no matter how much more I cut out of the inside. Last time I built a desktop was in 2007, back then silent PCs were all the rage. I didn't go for ANY RGB. Even under full load back then you could barely hear it. My HDD was in some kind of caddy with a bunch of rubber and such to reduce noise and vibration, it worked. My current computer..........17 years later came loaded with RGB, tho thankfully you can turn if off with a click. All-in-One liquid coolers weren't a thing back then, my current one has two fans, the case has room for the ones with 3 fans. Its the ABS Eurus H570 Obsidian Black, I think it only comes with pre-builts. When I looked at it when it came in I was struck at how much cleaner and more simplistic modern day computers are. I used Arctic Silver 5 when I put together that PC in 2007, they still sell it to this day. |
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Post by ForRealTho on Feb 28, 2024 15:54:55 GMT -5
I personally wouldn't get a 4090 if I was on a 3080ti.
Going from a 2070 Super Mobile to a 4080 Super was a nice upgrade so worth it to me. The 3080ti is only one gen behind the 4090.
You should feel an upgrade right away.
The best upgrade I made was going from my 960m to the 1070. 500% increase in performance in some games. It was a massive leap.
I could not for the life of me win a solo in PUBG. When I would get in a 1v1 and ADS against someone they would beat me to the punch, I got like 20 FPS waiting for the plane.
Soon as I launched PUBG with the 1070..........OMG. Like 100 fps waiting for the plane. No more bogging into the single digits/teens. ADSing was smooth as glass.
I won my first solo in PUBG like the day after I got the card:
If I am paying $1,900 for a graphics card I want that kind of a difference.
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Post by ForRealTho on Feb 28, 2024 21:42:54 GMT -5
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Post by Coolverine on Feb 28, 2024 21:53:15 GMT -5
^Probably gonna be extremely hard to find one from the sounds of it though.  Might just wait for the 6000's. |
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Post by Emig5m on Feb 28, 2024 23:08:37 GMT -5
^Probably gonna be extremely hard to find one from the sounds of it though. Might just wait for the 6000's. That's the thing, you start playing the waiting game and you will always be waiting for the next thing around the corner. Maybe waiting for the 5000 series and snagging a 4090 at a discount... I basically have been nearly waiting for the next gen cards to upgrade to basically the previous gen... Well six months or so before the release. But that was basically because of the supply chain issues and availability forcing me to. Possibly $2500 for a GPU? Where's the end to this. I gave like $130 for my first Voodoo 3 3000 Pci.. The first $500 card was a Geforce 3 Ultra... and now closing in on $2500?? Man...where's the end to it... |
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Post by ForRealTho on Feb 28, 2024 23:35:48 GMT -5
^Probably gonna be extremely hard to find one from the sounds of it though. Might just wait for the 6000's. That's the thing, you start playing the waiting game and you will always be waiting for the next thing around the corner. Maybe waiting for the 5000 series and snagging a 4090 at a discount... I basically have been nearly waiting for the next gen cards to upgrade to basically the previous gen... Well six months or so before the release. But that was basically because of the supply chain issues and availability forcing me to. Possibly $2500 for a GPU? Where's the end to this. I gave like $130 for my first Voodoo 3 3000 Pci.. The first $500 card was a Geforce 3 Ultra... and now closing in on $2500?? Man...where's the end to it... I remember I got the GeForce DDR I think for $199 soon as it dropped, was the card that made Nvidia #1. Then like a year later the GeForce 2 Ultra dropped for like $399 and I was like "$400? Fuck that!" GF2U was a beast for Counter-Strike |
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Post by Coolverine on Feb 28, 2024 23:50:34 GMT -5
I think the first expensive videocard I got (well my mom got it for my birthday) was the Voodoo 5 5500 for $300. I still have it but I stupidly broke one of the chips trying to re-seat the heatsinks for better heat transfer and cooling. Should've just left well enough alone.
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Post by ForRealTho on Feb 29, 2024 9:42:00 GMT -5
I think the first expensive videocard I got (well my mom got it for my birthday) was the Voodoo 5 5500 for $300. I still have it but I stupidly broke one of the chips trying to re-seat the heatsinks for better heat transfer and cooling. Should've just left well enough alone. This is why every time I remove a heatsink from anything using thermal compound I run a stress test/benchmark/anything else that will get it really hot. Then wiggle it back and forth a bit before removing it. Obviously that wouldn't work for solder but still. |
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Post by Cop on Feb 29, 2024 12:56:59 GMT -5
I bought a second V2 (for SLI), a V3 3500TV and a V5 5500 second hand all from the same guy at the place I worked at back then. He was one of those guys that would splurge on tech when he had the money, then eventually need money for drugs and he'd sell off his shit again. Worked great for me...
I have his Sega Dreamcast too, bought it off him right when it was going under, which meant a shit ton of games at next to no money because stores wanted to get rid of them...
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Post by ForRealTho on Mar 2, 2024 10:33:46 GMT -5
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Post by Emig5m on Mar 15, 2024 17:22:57 GMT -5
On the RTX 4000 series, they just have a different kind of 12v connector than the standard 8-pin ones. As far as I know, the videocard should come with an adapter to connect it using the standard 8-pin ones (think it takes 3), which does make it kinda bulky. On newer PSU's they've been adding a specific power connector for it though. Only thing I've heard is sometimes people have had to run their PC with the side panel off, because the power connector is too big for it to go back on. Ok I just checked my 3080TI OC and it has three 8-pin connectors going to it already so I have enough connectors. But damned...this is why I hate trying to future proof stuff. I bought a quality EVGA 1000W PSU that came with enough cables to power two video cards but they have to go ahead and change the connector.
Second thing is, my mobo is PCI-E 3.0 when using a 10th gen chip and might be PCI-E 4.0 with the latest bios and only when using a 11th gen chip so I might bottleneck the card slightly with the 10th Gen/PCI-E 3.0 bus. It seems small, like only 1-3% in most cases and one outlier game at 1080p was 15% but overall not too bad but it bugs me how things are advertised for some future proofing but its never ever the case with PC hardware no matter how good of stuff you buy they'll always change a connector or something else for no good reason at the moment of a possible upgrade.
Still debating on getting the 4090. Maybe I should wait for Forbidden West to come out on the 21rst and see how my 3080TI fairs with it. 4k is a bitch but the 3080TI was a great jump from my 2080TI at 4k...
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Post by Cop on Mar 16, 2024 13:20:29 GMT -5
it bugs me how things are advertised for some future proofing but its never ever the case with PC hardware no matter how good of stuff you buy they'll always change a connector or something else for no good reason Oh, but there is a good reason: money! Same reason why you need a new set of controller cables for every console, same reason why every new phone uses a different connector from the last, why every laptop has a different plug for charging the battery. Can't have you using the old stuff. It'll last too long before it stops working on its own, there needs to be another reason for you to change it... |
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Post by ForRealTho on Mar 16, 2024 15:05:57 GMT -5
Still debating on getting the 4090. Maybe I should wait for Forbidden West to come out on the 21rst and see how my 3080TI fairs with it. 4k is a bitch but the 3080TI was a great jump from my 2080TI at 4k... If they release the 5090 in September and the 4090 gets a big price cut are you OK with paying full price now? They wanted like $900 minimum for a 4090 PC over the 4080S PC I got. Only 20-30% faster but a massive price increase because it's the fastest. I don't play at 4K at all and with DLSS and Frame Generation any new game should run fine for me. |
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Post by Emig5m on Mar 16, 2024 21:27:26 GMT -5
If they release the 5090 in September and the 4090 gets a big price cut are you OK with paying full price now? They wanted like $900 minimum for a 4090 PC over the 4080S PC I got. Only 20-30% faster but a massive price increase because it's the fastest. I don't play at 4K at all and with DLSS and Frame Generation any new game should run fine for me. 4k is a must if you use a large screen (I use a 42" sitting about 2 1/2' away.) Plus its my displays native resolution. |
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Post by Coolverine on Mar 16, 2024 22:28:53 GMT -5
After seeing how well Jedi Survivor runs on my 3080, I've decided to hold off on getting a 4090 or any new GPU for now. Ironically, actually started leaning more towards getting a gaming laptop with a 4090 or 4080 when I saw how much the videocard, a new PSU, and new case would cost.
I may not need a new case and PSU, my current PSU is 850W and also an 80-Plus Titanium one with a 12 year warranty. Still, I'd feel better if I had 1000W. As for case it's an old one from around 2013 or so and has plenty of room for any videocard, it's just airflow that concerns me.
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Might just wait for the 6000's.