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Post by Emig5m on Mar 20, 2024 22:32:21 GMT -5
After seeing how well Jedi Survivor runs on my 3080, I've decided to hold off on getting a 4090 or any new GPU for now. Ironically, actually started leaning more towards getting a gaming laptop with a 4090 or 4080 when I saw how much the videocard, a new PSU, and new case would cost. I may not need a new case and PSU, my current PSU is 850W and also an 80-Plus Titanium one with a 12 year warranty. Still, I'd feel better if I had 1000W. As for case it's an old one from around 2013 or so and has plenty of room for any videocard, it's just airflow that concerns me. Don't get a laptop unless just for a secondary/portable PC. The same model/gen laptop stuff doesn't run as good as the desktop counterparts. I tried the laptop route, the desktop was way stronger, like a freight train vs a 4cylinder econo car. There's a reason why desktops have much more powerful power supplies plus laptops run hotter and louder. Not to mention upgrade and expandability. You can also recycle most of your desktop when upgrading. If something dies in the laptop you might have to replace the entire thing where in a desktop you can just replace the failed part. |
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Post by ForRealTho on Mar 20, 2024 23:59:59 GMT -5
After seeing how well Jedi Survivor runs on my 3080, I've decided to hold off on getting a 4090 or any new GPU for now. Ironically, actually started leaning more towards getting a gaming laptop with a 4090 or 4080 when I saw how much the videocard, a new PSU, and new case would cost. I may not need a new case and PSU, my current PSU is 850W and also an 80-Plus Titanium one with a 12 year warranty. Still, I'd feel better if I had 1000W. As for case it's an old one from around 2013 or so and has plenty of room for any videocard, it's just airflow that concerns me. Don't get a laptop unless just for a secondary/portable PC. The same model/gen laptop stuff doesn't run as good as the desktop counterparts. I tried the laptop route, the desktop was way stronger, like a freight train vs a 4cylinder econo car. There's a reason why desktops have much more powerful power supplies plus laptops run hotter and louder. Not to mention upgrade and expandability. You can also recycle most of your desktop when upgrading. If something dies in the laptop you might have to replace the entire thing where in a desktop you can just replace the failed part. I was laptop only for over 10 years. The laptop 4090 is 30% slower so about a desktop 4080, not that much slower. Also mobile chips are very fast these days. Maybe I got lucky but I used all of my laptops for 4+ years with no issues. My 1070 laptop I still use for work from home. |
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Post by Emig5m on Mar 21, 2024 12:44:08 GMT -5
Don't get a laptop unless just for a secondary/portable PC. The same model/gen laptop stuff doesn't run as good as the desktop counterparts. I tried the laptop route, the desktop was way stronger, like a freight train vs a 4cylinder econo car. There's a reason why desktops have much more powerful power supplies plus laptops run hotter and louder. Not to mention upgrade and expandability. You can also recycle most of your desktop when upgrading. If something dies in the laptop you might have to replace the entire thing where in a desktop you can just replace the failed part. I was laptop only for over 10 years. The laptop 4090 is 30% slower so about a desktop 4080, not that much slower. Also mobile chips are very fast these days. Maybe I got lucky but I used all of my laptops for 4+ years with no issues. My 1070 laptop I still use for work from home. My laptop was even more modern than the desktop I was comparing to. My desktop only had a 4 core processor and the laptop had a 6 core. Both had the same gen RTX. The desktop felt tremendously stronger, way less lower dips although the laptop was impressive for such a small footprint I could still feel a dramatic seat of pants difference. |
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Post by sj on Aug 12, 2024 17:35:04 GMT -5
My next computer will most likely be a desktop. More laptops are going with integrated components (like RAM and battery) these days, so if a part fails, you have to send it in for repair. If it's not under warranty, they probably charge a small fortune or, at least, significantly more than you'd pay if they allowed you to fix it yourself (had they not gone integrated and forced you to send it in, via anti-consumer product design).
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Post by ForRealTho on Aug 12, 2024 17:49:18 GMT -5
My next computer will most likely be a desktop. More laptops are going with integrated components (like RAM and battery) these days, so if a part fails, you have to send it in for repair. If it's not under warranty, they probably charge a small fortune or, at least, significantly more than you'd pay if they allowed you to fix it yourself (had they not gone integrated and forced you to send it in, via anti-consumer product design). When I was a teen/20s I looked down on people who got pre-built PCs. I have zero regrets with mine. One of the fastest CPUs plus OCed from factory second fastest GPU. Way less effort then building myself |
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Post by sj on Sept 11, 2024 16:26:39 GMT -5
My next computer will most likely be a desktop. More laptops are going with integrated components (like RAM and battery) these days, so if a part fails, you have to send it in for repair. If it's not under warranty, they probably charge a small fortune or, at least, significantly more than you'd pay if they allowed you to fix it yourself (had they not gone integrated and forced you to send it in, via anti-consumer product design). When I was a teen/20s I looked down on people who got pre-built PCs. I have zero regrets with mine. One of the fastest CPUs plus OCed from factory second fastest GPU. Way less effort then building myself Microcenter has bundle sales on cpu + gpu + motherboard. I did a (virtual) build with mid parts, but the prebuilt Dell/Alienware desktop (on sale w/ equivalent performing cpu & gpu) was like $400-500 cheaper. You do get better parts (overall) with a custom build, but the price difference these days is substantial enough to steer ppl towards the (on sale) prebuilts. I recall that back in the day (90's), building your own PC was a good way to save a bit of money, but not so anymore apparently. |
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Post by sj on Sept 13, 2024 11:35:51 GMT -5
Don't get a laptop unless just for a secondary/portable PC. The same model/gen laptop stuff doesn't run as good as the desktop counterparts. I tried the laptop route, the desktop was way stronger, like a freight train vs a 4cylinder econo car. There's a reason why desktops have much more powerful power supplies plus laptops run hotter and louder. Not to mention upgrade and expandability. You can also recycle most of your desktop when upgrading. If something dies in the laptop you might have to replace the entire thing where in a desktop you can just replace the failed part. I was laptop only for over 10 years. The laptop 4090 is 30% slower so about a desktop 4080, not that much slower. Also mobile chips are very fast these days. Maybe I got lucky but I used all of my laptops for 4+ years with no issues. My 1070 laptop I still use for work from home. If I were purchasing a laptop, I'd opt for the 4080. The laptop 4090 is hard to justify (adding about $1000 to the price tag), unless you're gaming at 4K or VR. Under normal gaming, the performance difference between laptop 4090 and laptop 4080 is negligible. gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-RTX-4090-Laptop-vs-Nvidia-RTX-4080-Laptop/m2036852vsm2037743I wouldn't be surprised if the laptop 4090 is handicapped by laptop thermals. Physics dictates that you can cram only so much cooling capacity into a small space (like laptop casing). Also, the laptop PSUs being under 400 watts could be a factor. Of course, the laptop PSU watts output probably has to be that low to keep it from catching fire. |
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Post by sj on Sept 13, 2024 13:53:31 GMT -5
I was looking at Dell laptops again (since I already have their credit account w/ 0% financing), despite their shitty choice to use integrated batteries in the new models. I found out that their best deals are hidden and only unlockable through their custom build option. Configuring the Alienware m18 R2 Gaming Laptop build a particular way (build options: 14900HX cpu, Windows 11 Home, 32GB 5600 MTs RAM, 2TB RAID0 SSDs, 18" QHD+ monitor, and standard non-CherryMX keyboard) with the 4090 gpu currently yields a $700 discount, bringing the price (before taxes) down to $2900, which is fairly close to their least expensive 4080 build ($2600). Only a $300 price difference is much easier to justify. What's interesting is how if you change any single configuration option in the build (outlined above) on their customization screen, then the price jumps up by hundreds. I'm not a fan of RAID0 because it doubles your chance of HDD/SSD failure, but for some weird reason they force you into it to get the best discount. www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-computer-laptops/alienware-m18-r2-gaming-laptop/spd/alienware-m18-r2-laptop/useashbtsm18r2hbsz?ref=variantstack#customization-anchor |
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Post by sj on Sept 13, 2024 14:10:12 GMT -5
If anyone drops a few g's on a gaming laptop and you leave it plugged in most of the time (like I do), make you sure go into the BIOS settings and change the battery usage option to match. Doing so should extend the battery life (MTBF), which is even more important now with the integrated batteries.
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Post by sj on Sept 13, 2024 14:35:58 GMT -5
Another, almost obligatory, thing to do if you use your gaming laptop like a desktop, is to use an external monitor. Then, in the Windows display settings, disable your laptop monitor so that only the external monitor is in use. Using your laptop monitor less means less drain on the battery. The fewer times your laptop battery is drained & recharged, the longer it'll last.
When you disconnect the external monitor, Windows knows to automatically switch the laptop's monitor back on.
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Post by ForRealTho on Sept 13, 2024 18:30:48 GMT -5
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Post by sj on Sept 15, 2024 12:15:56 GMT -5
That's a blazing fast rig u got there. I'm not into competitive/online gaming, so I don't plan on spending that much. I'm looking at getting a new system tho, since neither of my 2 laptops are supported by Windows 11. Currently leaning towards doing a custom desktop build with some variant of the 4070 gpu. Amazon seems like they're turning into another Fleabay lately and I'm becoming increasingly hesitant to buy from them. Microcenter has a location near where I live, so I'll probably buy the PC parts from them. I like Coolervine's idea of turning his old laptop into a Linux machine. That's probably what I'll try doing with my old laptops. |
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Post by ForRealTho on Sept 15, 2024 13:18:33 GMT -5
For online I prefer Newegg to Amazon for laptops. I got my new laptop at Microcenter in June when my Eluktronics finally died. Going from 14nm Intel to 4nm AMD was a ridiculous change. The AMD chip barely gets warm and has way higher performance. The 4060 also runs games just fine in a pinch, with frame generation and DLSS well over 100 fps at 1080p. DLSS and Frame Gen has completely changed gaming.
One of my old roommates got a top of the line in 2006 Xeon server desktop in like 2010 for free surplus from his job. The only catch was they removed the hard drives completely. So I got him a new hard drive, got Windows 7 installed. It had two physical CPUS that were both dual core so in Windows showed as Quad core.
I had a 8800 GTS laying around I wasn't using so put that in. Not a bad gaming rig for basically free. His monitor was like 1024x768. Installed Stalker COP and it ran great.
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Post by sj on Sept 15, 2024 18:03:12 GMT -5
For online I prefer Newegg to Amazon for laptops. I got my new laptop at Microcenter in June when my Eluktronics finally died. Going from 14nm Intel to 4nm AMD was a ridiculous change. The AMD chip barely gets warm and has way higher performance. The 4060 also runs games just fine in a pinch, with frame generation and DLSS well over 100 fps at 1080p. DLSS and Frame Gen has completely changed gaming. One of my old roommates got a top of the line in 2006 Xeon server desktop in like 2010 for free surplus from his job. The only catch was they removed the hard drives completely. So I got him a new hard drive, got Windows 7 installed. It had two physical CPUS that were both dual core so in Windows showed as Quad core. I had a 8800 GTS laying around I wasn't using so put that in. Not a bad gaming rig for basically free. His monitor was like 1024x768. Installed Stalker COP and it ran great. Dropping down to 4060 in desktop, the price/performance ratio begins to equalize with that of a 4070 laptop gpu. The Dell G16 laptop (with an i9 24 cores cpu and 4070 gpu) can be purchased for $1299. Less with the employee coupon code I mentioned earlier. www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-computer-laptops/g16-gaming-laptop/spd/g-series-16-7630-laptop/useghbts7630hcwp?ref=variantstack#customization-anchorThen, by comparison, you have the 4070 Super (desktop) for only $200 more and nearly 50% better graphics performance (over the above mentioned gpu's). I see that some MSI desktops on Newegg include more recent motherboards. This one even comes w/ overclocking features (on the motherboard) & cpu. www.newegg.com/msi-aegis-rs2-c14nue7-824us/p/N82E16883151419?Item=N82E16883151419 |
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Post by sj on Sept 15, 2024 18:18:42 GMT -5
The Dell G16 above isn't sold out (yet) if you customize it and select white. The white one's actually better anyway because they throw in the MX-Cherry mechanical keyboard for free (if you select it on the customization screen).
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