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Post by Cop on Jul 24, 2021 9:45:53 GMT -5
...at this point, what should I be looking at?
I'm not looking for a €3600 PC like that colleague of mine, just something decent to play some games I missed in the past few years. Most recent one I managed to play on this old ass PC is probably something like GTA4 or Dead Space 2 so I've got some catching up to do which I can probably do on not that much of a high-end PC, but I'd like to know what I'd be needing to play something current as well.
Give me some ideas I can walk to a store with because I haven't been following up on this shit at all...
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Post by ForRealTho on Jul 24, 2021 17:22:36 GMT -5
Are you looking for prebuilt or build your own?
Get a Ryzen CPU and a 3060 if you can find one and you are set.
I am actually out of the loop as to the prebuilt companies.
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Post by Cop on Jul 25, 2021 7:11:12 GMT -5
At first I was maybe thinking about prebuilt but the one place I went to didn't have anything between a €999 i5 and a €3000 i9, lol, don't think either are what I'm looking for, so I wanted more like a parts-list I could go to a computer store with, you know, to have some idea what I'm looking for or talking about.
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Post by ForRealTho on Jul 25, 2021 9:33:58 GMT -5
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Post by Coolverine on Jul 25, 2021 10:01:27 GMT -5
Just sucks that GPU's are extremely difficult to find, unless you want to pay twice as much or more for one. Even the 3060 and 2060 are priced the same as what the MSRP of the 3070 should be.
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Post by sj on Oct 1, 2021 10:21:10 GMT -5
Just sucks that GPU's are extremely difficult to find, unless you want to pay twice as much or more for one. Even the 3060 and 2060 are priced the same as what the MSRP of the 3070 should be. They're readily available at auction sites like Fleabay. You just have pay exorbitant prices to the scalpers. lol Next gen consoles Xbox Series X & PS5 are also hard to find and are often scalped for about double retail prices (on average). Xbox Series X + MS gamepass (for the monthly fee/financing) appears to be available from Walmart and Gamestop though. The Xbox Series S has ridiculously tiny amount of storage (364GB available for downloads), so avoid unless you're buying one just to play smaller Indie games, etc. They sell proprietary external storage device for the Series X/S, but it's pricey. You'd be better off buying the Series X instead (since it includes more storage built into the console). Well, looks like the Series S is currently available for outright purchase (not just monthly financing) at Gamestop. Anyone who's interested could buy one a Series S, then after Series X becomes available, buy an X and sell their S. Not a terrible idea, since software compatibility is the same. Going with an inexpensive consoles (at retail prices), software is typically where you're dumping the most money anyway. www.gamestop.com/consoles-hardware/xbox-series-x%7Cs/consoles/products/xbox-series-s-with-3-months-ultimate-game-pass-system-bundle/B224746X.html\\imo, consoles still have their place for gaming, because consoles are ready-made for hooking up to a tv and playing games at a fair distance from the screen (which is great, if you have a job that requires you sit behind a PC most of the day). |
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Post by sj on Oct 1, 2021 10:31:36 GMT -5
At first I was maybe thinking about prebuilt but the one place I went to didn't have anything between a €999 i5 and a €3000 i9, lol, don't think either are what I'm looking for, so I wanted more like a parts-list I could go to a computer store with, you know, to have some idea what I'm looking for or talking about. They say that AMD cpu's are back as far as offering the best price to performance in gaming PC's. |
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Post by Coolverine on Oct 1, 2021 11:21:45 GMT -5
I'm actually leaning towards buying a gaming laptop instead of waiting to find a fairly priced videocard.
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Post by sj on Oct 1, 2021 14:56:29 GMT -5
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Post by ForRealTho on Oct 1, 2021 15:46:53 GMT -5
I'm actually leaning towards buying a gaming laptop instead of waiting to find a fairly priced videocard. The 2021 Eluktronics laptops are very nice but the 165 hz screen is a little disappointing since last years were 240 hz. TBH I doubt at my age I can tell the difference, perhaps when I was 19 and playing CS 6 hours a day. I have been been made fun of by people for being laptop only for years but I don't mind dropping between $2-3,000 every 3-4 years on a new laptop. My 2070 Super is nowhere near slow every game I own flies at 1080p besides outliers like Cyberpunk at launch which ran like absolute shit on everyone's PC. I don't know your budget but you can get good deals with newegg refurbished: www.newegg.com/p/pl?N=4016%20100167748&Order=2&PageSize=60&isdeptsrh=1Back in 2017 I got my $2000 Acer Predator for $1,300. Its still going strong as my work from home laptop with a dell monitor as my second screen. I should probably buy a new battery for it at some point but I never unplug it so no rush. |
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Post by sj on Oct 1, 2021 15:56:52 GMT -5
I'm actually leaning towards buying a gaming laptop instead of waiting to find a fairly priced videocard. The 2021 Eluktronics laptops are very nice but the 165 hz screen is a little disappointing since last years were 240z. TBH I doubt at my age I can tell the difference, perhaps when I was 19 and playing CS 6 hours a day. I have been been made fun of by people for being laptop only for years but I don't mind dropping between $2-3,000 every 3-4 years on a new laptop. My 2070 Super is nowhere near slow every game I own flies at 1080p besides outliers like Cyberpunk at launch which ran like absolute shit on everyone's PC. I don't know your budget but you can get good deals with newegg refurbished: www.newegg.com/p/pl?N=4016%20100167748&Order=2&PageSize=60&isdeptsrh=1Back in 2017 I got my $2000 Acer Predator for $1,300. Its still going strong as my work from home laptop with a dell monitor as my second screen. I should probably buy a new battery for it at some point but I never unplug it so no rush. I think most ppl (myself included) use their laptops that way these days. Who wants to lug a laptop around (unless you really have to for work + travel), with the availability of inexpensive tablet computers. What's more, if you were to lose a tablet PC or it gets stolen while traveling, it's not nearly as big of loss. |
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Post by ForRealTho on Oct 1, 2021 16:15:54 GMT -5
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Post by sj on Oct 1, 2021 18:18:07 GMT -5
Naming a cheaper product similar to better quality or better performing product is an age old & widely used marketing scam to trick the consumer into paying more. More or less a dirty bait & switch tactic. |
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Post by sj on Oct 1, 2021 21:22:01 GMT -5
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Post by sj on Oct 1, 2021 21:23:36 GMT -5
correction - "5600X is better" than 5600G.
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Post by sj on Oct 1, 2021 22:28:03 GMT -5
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Post by sj on Oct 2, 2021 11:35:46 GMT -5
cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-11600K-vs-AMD-Ryzen-5-5600X/4113vs4084The i5-11600K actually has a slight performance edge over the 5600X. The 5600X cpu die is half the size though, giving it much better power efficiency (48% more efficient) and likely better thermals. I'd be interested in seeing an overclocking & performance comparison. If you're willing to wait a couple of more months, Intel has plans.. But you know how it is, there's always something better on the horizon.
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Post by ForRealTho on Oct 2, 2021 11:45:53 GMT -5
Oh yeah userbenchmark is a good resource but its accuracy is disputed when it comes to CPUs. I am too old to get involved in the emotional hardware wars but the top ranking CPU charts don't appear to be accurate: thinkcomputers.org/userbenchmark-biased-component-rating-drama/Luckily these days ALL top end CPUs perform well so I am not too concerned if the top 10 rankings are 100% valid. |
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Post by sj on Oct 2, 2021 11:51:11 GMT -5
From what I've been reading, in this class of cpu's (above), the gpu is still the bottleneck. It's too bad the RTX3070 is so hard to find at retail price. If you're not one to throw money away at scalpers, at least the market has made up your mind for you.
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Post by sj on Oct 2, 2021 22:31:03 GMT -5
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Post by ForRealTho on Oct 2, 2021 22:36:35 GMT -5
That is nice but only 15", I always get 17"
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Post by sj on Oct 2, 2021 22:51:41 GMT -5
That is nice but only 15", I always get 17" OLED's only seem to be available in 15" for laptops (Razer has one too, priced much higher). If you wanted an even larger screen, an external monitor with a laptop is pretty good when using USB type-C (enables higher fps than HDMI connection). At least that was the case with my setup. |
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Post by Coolverine on Oct 3, 2021 5:45:11 GMT -5
I like that first one. I would definitely upgrade the storage space though, I currently have 2 1TB SSD's and 1 4TB SSD. For a laptop with 32 gigs of RAM and an RTX 3080 GPU though (and not underpowered), that's a great deal.
Also found this one:
It costs more but has a 17" screen (although at a much lower refresh rate but it's still good afaik), more powerful CPU and 2TB storage. It doesn't list the GPU max wattage, looked it up and appears to be 140w. I've never heard of this brand though, not sure about them.
Led me to this one that looks pretty good, only has 16GB of RAM but right now I have 32GB in my desktop PC and it's complete overkill anyway. For now.
One other thing, I have some Logitech Z-906 speakers that I like a lot. I have em hooked up to my soundcard in my desktop (3.5mm analog jacks), they're great speakers but I don't think there's a way to connect them easily to a laptop, unless I get an external soundcard.
Also do they still normally put a 2.5" drivebay on laptops?
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Post by ForRealTho on Oct 3, 2021 8:35:53 GMT -5
It costs more but has a 17" screen (although at a much lower refresh rate but it's still good afaik), more powerful CPU and 2TB storage. It doesn't list the GPU max wattage, looked it up and appears to be 140w. I've never heard of this I think as long as a screen is 120 hz should be fine, like teenagers with amazing reaction time or the Shrouds of the world can take advantage of higher but I think 120 hz is most likely enough. My favorite thing about 240 hz is just forcing V-Sync off in the control panel and in games and never worrying about screen tearing. In 5-10 years when 1,000 hz panels hit the mainstream it will be cool to see V-Sync become irrelevant. According to BlurBusters at that refresh rate V-Sync on/off and G-Sync converge and no human could ever tell the difference. |
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Post by ForRealTho on Oct 3, 2021 8:38:23 GMT -5
I noticed that is a CUK laptop, never heard of them. My info is a few years out of date but there was a laptop company that made horrible panels that were 120-144 hz but they looked like absolute shit. Can't remember the name. I would be warry of ordering some rando Chinese laptop. At least Amazon has great returns.
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Post by Coolverine on Oct 3, 2021 8:42:51 GMT -5
CUK what a name. I looked them up, I think it stands for Computer Upgrade King.
*edit* I'm seriously thinking about just buying the Lenovo Legion 7. It costs more but the specs look great. Has a 16" screen that does 2560x1600, 165hz but that's just fine for me. Gonna see if I might know anyone who can get it cheaper. I might even just finance it.
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Post by sj on Oct 4, 2021 13:14:42 GMT -5
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Post by Coolverine on Oct 4, 2021 13:37:17 GMT -5
Damn that thing costs the same as an economy car.
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Post by ForRealTho on Oct 4, 2021 14:57:36 GMT -5
Every time I see one of those like full body gaming setups it reminds of JP's office in Grandma's Boy. I have literally only seen that movie once but that scene still makes me laugh:
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Post by sj on Oct 4, 2021 15:08:29 GMT -5
Damn that thing costs the same as an economy car. Well, if you're looking at the two cheapest cars... www.carfax.com/blog/cheapest-carsI'd rather live close to work (if I were forced to commute) and ride a bicycle, than drive the Chevy Spark or Mitsubishi Mirage. |
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