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Post by sj on Feb 27, 2024 11:28:23 GMT -5
I love how the left are constantly accusing others of the things which they are guilty, like following the narrative constructed by billionaires and obeying their edicts, whilst falsely accusing their foes of wanting billionaires to rule. Looks at their actions. When the establishment (billionaires and their mouthpiece, mainstream media) says "jump," who's the first to say "how high" and then assume a highly militant posture towards those who don't obey. That's the left, no question.
The Covid lockdowns (putting small business out of business, destroying livelihoods of the little guy, so that billionaires could absorb their market share) and edicts (masks, distancing, vaccines, don't go outside) were the perfect proving ground for this (truth).
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Post by sj on Feb 27, 2024 11:32:06 GMT -5
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Post by Cop on Feb 27, 2024 12:50:06 GMT -5
I love how the left are constantly accusing others of the things which they are guilty... Like locking up crooked Hillary or whatever he calls Joe Biden? Wait... Who was convicted of fraud and rape again? |
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Post by sj on Feb 27, 2024 14:31:37 GMT -5
I love how the left are constantly accusing others of the things which they are guilty... Like locking up crooked Hillary or whatever he calls Joe Biden? Wait... Who was convicted of fraud and rape again? Hillary was giddy about running against Trump at first, because they knew he's so bad that she should've had a better chance of winning. Trump is a billionaire and controlled opposition (i.e. RINO). Trump's so divisive and offensive (to many people) that a senile (likely Alzheimer's stricken) puppet of a candidate actually stands of chance of winning elections. The American political system is a joke. I looked that up, btw, and a guy named Weisselberg (at Trump's organization was convicted), but Trump and his family weren't convicted. I made sure to only look at left-leaning source, so there you have it. Feel free to post any of your sources. www.cnn.com/2023/01/13/politics/trump-org-sentencing/index.html |
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Post by sj on Feb 27, 2024 14:53:04 GMT -5
In 10 or so years, Trump will be miraculously redeemed by the mainstream media, and teaching a leadership masterclass or some other BS.. similar to Bush Jr's outcome. www.masterclass.com/classes/president-george-w-bush-teaches-authentic-leadershipThe Bush's and Clinton's were/are close friends (then and now). Of course, it was mostly closed-doors, hidden friendship while they were serving their terms. So it is with Trump, as there have been leaked audio recordings of Trump and Democrats working collaboratively on issues, such as gun control. Trump is fork-tongued, telling his base what they want to hear, like so many US politicians. |
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Post by ForRealTho on Feb 27, 2024 14:56:31 GMT -5
In 10 or so years, Trump will be miraculously redeemed by the mainstream media, and teaching a leadership masterclass or some other BS.. similar to Bush Jr's outcome. Maybe but I doubt it, that group of ex-presidents that meets up wants nothing to do with him. |
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Post by sj on Feb 27, 2024 14:59:26 GMT -5
Weisselberg should be pronounced Weaselberg. lol
Sorry, couldn't help it.
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Post by sj on Feb 27, 2024 15:01:34 GMT -5
In 10 or so years, Trump will be miraculously redeemed by the mainstream media, and teaching a leadership masterclass or some other BS.. similar to Bush Jr's outcome. Maybe but I doubt it, that group of ex-presidents that meets up wants nothing to do with him. Time will tell. They liked him well enough until he got into politics. I wouldn't be shocked at all if attitudes reverted back to default once they're all certain he's done with politics. |
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Post by sj on Feb 27, 2024 15:08:25 GMT -5
Believe it or not, there are Democrats I'd vote for, particularly if they practice civil discourse over constant mud-slinging. Dean Phillips seems to fit the bill, from what I've seen so far.
If I knew a candidate was from the billionaire class, most likely I wouldn't vote for him/her. Money (especially that much of it) + power are a dangerous combination.
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Post by ForRealTho on Feb 27, 2024 15:16:11 GMT -5
Believe it or not, there are Democrats I'd vote for, particularly if they practice civil discourse over constant mud-slinging. Dean Phillips seems to fit the bill, from what I've seen so far. If I knew a candidate was from the billionaire class, most likely I wouldn't vote for him/her. Money (especially that much of it) + power are a dangerous combination. Its funny you claim to oppose billionaires but every single thing you post politically is in support of the political right, being conservative or right wing is by its dictionary definition in support of the status quote or billionaire ruling class, and the capitalist world order. It makes no sense to align with Republican/right wing politics and claim to oppose billionaires or corporations or the current healthcare system. On the political left will ever change those things but their very definition. |
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Post by sj on Feb 27, 2024 15:26:09 GMT -5
Believe it or not, there are Democrats I'd vote for, particularly if they practice civil discourse over constant mud-slinging. Dean Phillips seems to fit the bill, from what I've seen so far. If I knew a candidate was from the billionaire class, most likely I wouldn't vote for him/her. Money (especially that much of it) + power are a dangerous combination. Its funny you claim to oppose billionaires but every single thing you post politically is in support of the political right, being conservative or right wing is by its dictionary definition in support of the status quote or billionaire ruling class, and the capitalist world order. It makes no sense to align with Republican/right wing politics and claim to oppose billionaires or corporations or the current healthcare system. On the political left will ever change those things but their very definition. Any real world examples of either party shaking up the system to, for once, benefit the poor at the expense of the billionaire class? Solid blue California maybe? Nope. Democrats talk a good game, but talk is talk. Homelessness is often among the worst ranked in blue states, such as California and Hawaii. Remember those fires in Hawaii. It was much worse than need be because water was diverted to multi-millionaire neigborhoods over middle-class ones, and the Democrat state govt issued tiny checks to the people who lost their homes. Big whoop. It's pick your poison in US politics - do you like lies or bigger lies? |
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Post by ForRealTho on Feb 27, 2024 15:44:29 GMT -5
Any real world examples of either party shaking up the system to, for once, benefit the poor at the expense of the billionarie class? Solid blue California maybe? Nope. Democrats talk a good game, but talk is talk. Homelessness is often among the worst ranked in blue states, such as California and Hawaii. Remember those fires in Hawaii. It was much worse than need be because water was diverted to multi-millionaire neigborhoods over middle-class ones, and the Democrat state govt issued tiny checks to the people who lost their homes. Big whoop. It's pick your poison in US politics - do you like lies or bigger lies? Yes, we have been talking about the Affordable Care Act, Democrats. Democrats want student loan forgiveness to help out people struggling to pay off loans, Republican Supreme Court justices blocked that. A Democrat president stopped Don't Ask Don't Tell and finally stopped discriminating against LGBT soldiers, something the Republicans have opposed over and over. Democrat Left leaning supreme court justices decided to allow gay marriage. Democrats are the only people protecting reproductive rights. Ireland finally has abortion after being subject to one of the strictest anti-abortion laws in the world, then Republican supreme court justices make the US a laughing stock by overturning Roe v Wade. Oh yeah and Democrats are the only ones trying to pass or protect environmental laws, the Republicans always want to repeal them. This is all just off the top of my head. Also the reason there is more homelessness in places like Southern California and Hawaii and such is because its warm and people actually want to live there. People say dumb things all the time like "How come every city has crime and is run by Democrats huh?!?". Educated people live in cities and better educated people tend to vote Democrat. Crime happens where people live. Correlation does not equal causation. Every single thing you have ever posted in this forums is pretty much right wing shill nonsense............then you claim to oppose billionaires, the current healthcare system, and the corporate environment? When the republicans had the majority they tried to do a full repeal of the ACA just so they could say they got rid of Obama's healthcare law, it would have literally thrown millions of people of insurance overnight. They did not care, that failed, then the "skinny" repeal failed that wouldn't have been so harsh but still got rid of it. So then we would have gone back to the days of being able to be denied because of pre-existing conditions. Complete insanity. No person who claims to oppose billionaires or the status quo would ever vote Republican ever in their life. I mean, unless they are lying or delusional. |
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Post by sj on Feb 27, 2024 15:52:47 GMT -5
Even if the entire government turns blue, top to bottom, not much would change (in regards to issues of class divide - rich vs poor). Jimmy Dore is correct in that both parties, Democrat and Republican, represent the donor classes and there's a revolving door between people in government and big business (big pharma, defense contractors, big tech, etc). Sadly, the US political system is broken. We needed the campaign finance reform that Obama said he'd push for while campaigning and then, once elected, dropped it entirely.
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Post by sj on Feb 27, 2024 15:59:48 GMT -5
What does LGBT and Roe v Wade have to do with your debate and accusations about me supposedly favoring billionaires? You're all over the map.
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Post by sj on Feb 27, 2024 16:08:49 GMT -5
Any real world examples of either party shaking up the system to, for once, benefit the poor at the expense of the billionarie class? Solid blue California maybe? Nope. Democrats talk a good game, but talk is talk. Homelessness is often among the worst ranked in blue states, such as California and Hawaii. Remember those fires in Hawaii. It was much worse than need be because water was diverted to multi-millionaire neigborhoods over middle-class ones, and the Democrat state govt issued tiny checks to the people who lost their homes. Big whoop. It's pick your poison in US politics - do you like lies or bigger lies? Also the reason there is more homelessness in places like Southern California and Hawaii and such is because its warm and people actually want to live there. People say dumb things all the time like "How come every city has crime and is run by Democrats huh?!?". Texas and Florida, on per capita basis, have much lower homelessness than Cali. Sorry to demolish your warm state explanation for homelessness in one sentence. |
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Post by sj on Feb 27, 2024 16:15:07 GMT -5
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Post by sj on Feb 27, 2024 16:32:16 GMT -5
I get why you'd think that there's a correlation between climate and homelessness, but the stats (state by state) don't indicate a correlation. worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/homeless-population-by-stateInteresting that homelessness is fairly high in AK, for example. Hawaii's more of an outlier state (imo, exclude from migratory homeless analysis) because what homeless person could afford a plane ticket to get there. |
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Post by sj on Feb 27, 2024 18:46:16 GMT -5
I watched part of an interview with Elon Musk last year, when the Democrats in Congress were attacking him specifically for not paying taxes. He said something like "send me the bill and I'll pay it." He also stated, "even if you zeroed out all of the billionaires in the US, that wouldn't come close to solving the national debt." I thought I'd fact check him. Low and behold.. www.bing.com/search?q=total+of+all+billionaires+wealth+in+the+USwww.investopedia.com/updates/usa-national-debt/I couldn't find more recent data on the total of billionaires' combined wealth, but I don't imagine it's bridged the gap since 2022 to now. I still say they should pay their share, but this does put things in perspective.. like how much is billionaires' fault vs the government's fault, of course realizing they often work together in American politics (and some of the politicians are billionaires themselves). |
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Post by Cop on Feb 28, 2024 12:05:09 GMT -5
I doubt it. He's a conman that'll tell everyone he is a billionaire but only in the way I might claim to be a millionaire because I loaned a million... |
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Post by sj on Feb 28, 2024 12:30:11 GMT -5
I doubt it. He's a conman that'll tell everyone he is a billionaire but only in the way I might claim to be a millionaire because I loaned a million... He's a billionaire on paper, but maybe not in the real world. It's very possible that he couldn't liquidate 100% of his "assets" without going bankrupt, especially with the fragile real estate market we have in the US. Our banking system allows ppl to leverage properties to borrow money. Borrow money on one property to buy another property, then borrow money on the other property you just bought to buy yet another property, rinse & repeat. Just keep some of those properties in a trust or a separate real estate company you set up, so that when one of your companies goes bankrupt, you can start over.. real estate investing (as a business) gets huge tax breaks also. Yet another mechanism of lower taxes for the rich. |
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Post by ForRealTho on Feb 28, 2024 12:50:47 GMT -5
Sorry to demolish your warm state explanation for homelessness in one sentence. You didn't demolish anything, I also said people actually want to live there. Plenty of people move to California to chase their dreams and it ends up not working out. Same with Hawaii, they interviewed some homeless people in Hawaii and one guy said "Well I was living in Wisconsin and the winter was coming so I used the last of my money for a ticket to Hawaii so I could sleep on the beach". Nevada and other states have been caught putting mentally ill people on buses to California with a month of medication because they know California has more robust homeless services and they can neglect their own. Keep in mind California is an absolute economic powerhouse, people move there because people move there: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_California#:~:text=The%20economy%20of%20the%20State,national%20economy%20in%20the%20world. Note right wingers are well known to say things like they "wish California would fall into the ocean" and make many other anti-California comments. That would cripple the economy of the US but their hatred of any kind of diversity is more important to them. I had a company offer to fly me to San Francisco in 2019.......I had just moved across the country in 2018. The salary was great for here but pretty bad for San Francisco so I passed. |
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Post by ForRealTho on Feb 28, 2024 12:53:57 GMT -5
I doubt it. He's a conman that'll tell everyone he is a billionaire but only in the way I might claim to be a millionaire because I loaned a million... He's a billionaire on paper, but maybe not in the real world. It's very possible that he couldn't liquidate 100% of his "assets" without going bankrupt, especially with the fragile real estate market we have in the US. Our banking system allows ppl to leverage properties to borrow money. Borrow money on one property to buy another property, then borrow money on the other property you just bought to buy yet another property, rinse & repeat. Just keep some of those properties in a trust or a separate real estate company you set up, so that when one of your companies goes bankrupt, you can start over.. real estate investing (as a business) gets huge tax breaks also. Yet another mechanism of lower taxes for the rich. If Trump wasn't on welfare via having his followers just give him money for no reason he would be broke. Running for President in 2016 was him trying to revive his brand. He has been in freefall since the end of The Apprentice. He had blown through his dads money by the start of that show and he managed to secure one hell of a deal from the network. Someone wrote a book about Trump around the time of the end of The Apprentice and she estimated he was worth about 300 million tops and he went absolutely fucking ballistic on her because nothing pisses off Trump more then saying he isn't a billionaire, on the roast of Trump on Comedy Central(I think) that was the only insult that got a rise out of him "I AM TOO A BILLIONARE I AM SO!" |
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Post by ForRealTho on Feb 28, 2024 12:57:26 GMT -5
That link won't load at work........bing.............lol Anyway, people keep saying Texas is going to be the new California and it keeps not happening. Also the major urban centers of Texas are blue just like everywhere else where there is a city and people have actually read a book before. People like Musk start businesses in California then move to Texas for a lower tax bill, basically not giving back to the state the made them who they are. |
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Post by ForRealTho on Feb 28, 2024 13:09:05 GMT -5
I get why you'd think that there's a correlation between climate and homelessness, but the stats (state by state) don't indicate a correlation. worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/homeless-population-by-stateInteresting that homelessness is fairly high in AK, for example. Hawaii's more of an outlier state (imo, exclude from migratory homeless analysis) because what homeless person could afford a plane ticket to get there. Note I said people want to live there, Mississippi is the worst state in the US, even homeless people don't stay there. Alaska has a high homeless population because people are trapped. I am pretty sure if you search for Alaska on this forum I have explained this before but I wouldn't expect you or anyone else to dig for it. Anyway, someone on Reddit asked where is the worst place to live in the US? At first Uniontown, PA was winning, which is pretty shit to be fair, then someone spoke about villages in rural Alaska. Imagine living in a place where there are no roads out. You never learned how to drive hence no drivers license needed to survive in other states. Alcohol is illegal because otherwise people will just sit and drink themselves to death and cause drama. There are very few jobs to pick from, you have no choice in the matter of what you do. There are no jails, so if you commit too many crimes, you are given a one way plane ticket to Anchorage, the only city in the state. So there you are, no city skills, no drivers license, no money. Due to your criminal history you can't drive through Canada, you can only fly but you have no money and no ID. It blows. If you grew up in the Lower 48 you can save money and drive or hitchhike to another state. Being poor in Alaska is another story. Not to mention all the idiots who are like "I really like those shows about living in rural Alaska so I am going to fly up there and live off the land, is $15,000 enough money to start?". People post non-sense like that on reddit all the time and are rightfully mocked and downvoted heavily. |
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Post by sj on Feb 28, 2024 14:20:00 GMT -5
Sorry to demolish your warm state explanation for homelessness in one sentence. You didn't demolish anything, I also said people actually want to live there. Plenty of people move to California to chase their dreams and it ends up not working out. Same with Hawaii, they interviewed some homeless people in Hawaii and one guy said "Well I was living in Wisconsin and the winter was coming so I used the last of my money for a ticket to Hawaii so I could sleep on the beach". Nevada and other states have been caught putting mentally ill people on buses to California with a month of medication because they know California has more robust homeless services and they can neglect their own. Keep in mind California is an absolute economic powerhouse, people move there because people move there: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_California#:~:text=The%20economy%20of%20the%20State,national%20economy%20in%20the%20world. Note right wingers are well known to say things like they "wish California would fall into the ocean" and make many other anti-California comments. That would cripple the economy of the US but their hatred of any kind of diversity is more important to them. I had a company offer to fly me to San Francisco in 2019.......I had just moved across the country in 2018. The salary was great for here but pretty bad for San Francisco so I passed. I had a friend at a Best Buy (early to mid 90's) in north Texas. He moved to California and moved back a year later - said he didn't like it. I'm sure California is a great state if you're rich. But the cities restrict new housing construction in order to appease wealthy Democrats - keeps the wealthy's property values higher and keeps the so-called riff-raff out. Therefore, the cost of homes and rent are sky-high in Cali. Thus, there are more homeless people in the state of California. Getting housing prices down isn't that complicated. You just build more (single-family) homes - supply goes up, putting downward pressure on prices. |
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Post by ForRealTho on Feb 28, 2024 14:30:46 GMT -5
Getting housing prices down isn't that complicated. You just build more (single-family) homes - supply goes up, putting downward pressure on prices. Due to some new law they passed in California thankfully its easier then it has ever been to build new housing. See how well that helps housing costs in 10 years from now. |
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Post by sj on Feb 28, 2024 14:34:52 GMT -5
Getting housing prices down isn't that complicated. You just build more (single-family) homes - supply goes up, putting downward pressure on prices. Due to some new law they passed in California thankfully its easier then it has ever been to build new housing. See how well that helps housing costs in 10 years from now. It was probably necessary to slow the mass exodus of companies' headquarters to Texas and other states, and those companies taking their taxpaying workers with them. Texas hasn't been unphased by this - the prices of homes there have at least doubled over the last few years, but still cheap compared to California. |
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Post by sj on Mar 2, 2024 14:52:42 GMT -5
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Post by sj on Apr 30, 2024 9:49:26 GMT -5
What gives it away that shady shit has been going on with Covid is how governments want a lockdown on information.. you see, how science works in the real world, scientists are normally allowed to peer review each other's data & research. Without that, there's no way to tell what information is true or who's lying. www.yahoo.com/news/chinese-scientist-published-first-sequence-071229718.html |
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Post by sj on May 6, 2024 21:00:31 GMT -5
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