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Post by sj on Feb 22, 2023 15:31:41 GMT -5
Check out the "Bill Gates is Shitting on Covid Vaxx after cashing in" video (five posts up). Gates himself talks about some of the ineffectiveness/cons of the vax, because he's funding/investing in new treatments he wants to promote and profit from. If you step back in time and look at the vaccine promises, you'll realize they lied about vaccine effectiveness. The biggest lie, perhaps, was the one that "Covid is a pandemic of the unvaccinated," because vaccinated ppl (as the data shows, in retrospect) were catching and transmitting Covid at a higher rate than the unvax'd. Why that is requires study, but it's probably because vax'd people were told that being vaccinated protected them from contracting the virus and so they let their guard down (with distancing and self-isolating when possible).
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Post by sj on Feb 25, 2023 14:10:20 GMT -5
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Post by sj on Feb 25, 2023 15:31:53 GMT -5
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Post by sj on Mar 1, 2023 13:52:14 GMT -5
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Post by ForRealTho on Mar 2, 2023 13:04:29 GMT -5
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Post by sj on Mar 2, 2023 18:40:29 GMT -5
That's like a bowl of sphagetti, mixing many different persepectives & opinions. Covid affects different people differently. It was more severe in the eldery, people with compromised immune systems, or comordities. Versus most young, fit people who had flu-like symptoms or no symptoms. imo, the most likely explanation is that it came out of the Wuhan lab, since it's public record that they were researching Coronavirus and the virus itself has unique properties (the spike protein, etc) not previously found in any Coronavirus capable of infecting humans. That's why they used to call Covid a "novel" coronvirus, because of its unique characteristics. What the intentions were, bioweapon or purely viral research for medical/vaccine reasons, nobody knows for certain (except the ppl behind it). But do you believe the CCP (Chinese Communist Party) would be above engineering bioweapons, especially given their human rights record (both past and present)? If anything, they've consisently demonstrated that they believe humans are expendable.
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Post by ForRealTho on Mar 3, 2023 15:23:32 GMT -5
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Post by Emig5m on Mar 5, 2023 23:00:39 GMT -5
Well guys, still no vax and still haven't had Covid or died. Every time I was sick I tested negative for C19. I've been around 10's of thousands of people in a single day. I was smack dab in the middle of a full Metlife stadium right on the field dead center surrounded by everyone. I didn't get sick, I didn't die. Now, what's up with all these sudden deaths I keep hearing about? Death rates are way above normal and so many reports of young healthy people just dropping over dead since around the time of the vax from heart failures- coincidence? Cause for concern or question from even the biggest vax nut swingers? Something doesn't feel right about this entire pandemic from start to finish, why no concern for all these out of the ordinary non-covid deaths and so many heart failures all of a sudden?
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Post by sj on Mar 6, 2023 21:55:31 GMT -5
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Post by ForRealTho on Mar 7, 2023 9:58:30 GMT -5
Nothing is about to happen to Dr. Fauci. He and his family has had to deal with threats of murder for years for just doing his job with the best information he had at the time. The Right decided to make him a huge target for saying completely unreasonable and insane things, like people should avoid being in large groups of other people in the middle of a pandemic. Now that the Republicans have the majority they are going to hold hearings where nothing happens but political grandstanding. Remember when they grilled Hillary for hours and she never pled the 5th? Not one time?
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Post by sj on Mar 7, 2023 10:30:45 GMT -5
Nothing is about to happen to Dr. Fauci. He and his family has had to deal with threats of murder for years for just doing his job with the best information he had at the time. The Right decided to make him a huge target for saying completely unreasonable and insane things, like people should avoid being in large groups of other people in the middle of a pandemic. Now that the Republicans have the majority they are going to hold hearings where nothing happens but political grandstanding. Remember when they grilled Hillary for hours and she never pled the 5th? Not one time? Fauci admitted to lying about masks. I don't trust him. Fauci lied at the behest of the establishment, so it's unlikely he'll have to answer. Even if Congress succeeds in prosecuting something, Biden would simply pardon him. imo, the full truth surrounding Covid's origins (documents detailing the lab's research and the involvement of ppl in charge of the lab, like Fauci) could come out if we go to war with China (in the near term) because, under such a scenario, the establishment will be looking for excuses and potentially a fall guy (to justify the war). Did you know the Wuhan lab was only like 7 miles from the first reported case of Covid? That's an amazing and absurdly unlikely coincidence if the lab leak isn't true (like 1 in billions or something, particularly given the timing of their Coronavirus research and the start of the pandemic).
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Post by sj on Mar 7, 2023 10:52:21 GMT -5
Technically, Congress is split. The Republicans gained control of the House of Representatives last election, while the Democrats maintained control of the Senate.
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Post by ForRealTho on Mar 7, 2023 11:27:09 GMT -5
Fauci admitted to lying about masks. I don't trust him.Fauci lied at the behest of the establishment, so it's unlikely he'll have to answer. Even if Congress succeeds in prosecuting something, Biden would simply pardon him. imo, the full truth surrounding Covid's origins (documents detailing the lab's research and the involvement of ppl in charge of the lab, like Fauci) could come out if we go to war with China (in the near term) because, under such a scenario, the establishment will be looking for excuses and potentially a fall guy (to justify the war). Did you know the Wuhan lab was only like 7 miles from the first reported case of Covid? That's an amazing and absurdly unlikely coincidence if the lab leak isn't true (like 1 in billions or something, particularly given the timing of their Coronavirus research and the start of the pandemic). At the beginning they didn't know if they had enough masks for the health care industry so its understandable imo. People have repeatedly threatened to murder his children, because he recommends people wear masks, social distance, and get vaccinated. I would hope you would agree someone shouldn't have have their kids murdered over that. Also yeah it wouldn't surprise me if COVID leaked from a Chinese lab. Not one bit. I also don't think Fauci or his kids deserve to die if it originated in a Chinese lab and Fauci didn't hold a conference where he ranted and raved about the evil Chinese bioengineering it. There are political considerations. Did you know the "Spanish Flu" actually originated in the US, and we spread it to Europe via sending massive amounts of soldiers over for WW1? The Spanish called it the "French Flu". en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu
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Post by sj on Mar 7, 2023 12:45:11 GMT -5
Fauci admitted to lying about masks. I don't trust him.Fauci lied at the behest of the establishment, so it's unlikely he'll have to answer. Even if Congress succeeds in prosecuting something, Biden would simply pardon him. imo, the full truth surrounding Covid's origins (documents detailing the lab's research and the involvement of ppl in charge of the lab, like Fauci) could come out if we go to war with China (in the near term) because, under such a scenario, the establishment will be looking for excuses and potentially a fall guy (to justify the war). Did you know the Wuhan lab was only like 7 miles from the first reported case of Covid? That's an amazing and absurdly unlikely coincidence if the lab leak isn't true (like 1 in billions or something, particularly given the timing of their Coronavirus research and the start of the pandemic). At the beginning they didn't know if they had enough masks for the health care industry so its understandable imo. People have repeatedly threatened to murder his children, because he recommends people wear masks, social distance, and get vaccinated. I would hope you would agree someone shouldn't have have their kids murdered over that. Also yeah it wouldn't surprise me if COVID leaked from a Chinese lab. Not one bit. I also don't think Fauci or his kids deserve to die if it originated in a Chinese lab and Fauci didn't hold a conference where he ranted and raved about the evil Chinese bioengineering it. There are political considerations. Did you know the "Spanish Flu" actually originated in the US, and we spread it to Europe via sending massive amounts of soldiers over for WW1? The Spanish called it the "French Flu". en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_fluOf course I don't condone murder, but I'm fine with investigations into the origin of Covid. Nothing wrong with finding that out and, in fact, we should seek answers (and how to prevent a repeat) since many died from the virus. Their thinking is that Fauci did know about the bioengineering (gain of function research) going on in the lab and lied about it. Some of these people in question, who believe Fauci lied and made the death threats toward him, probably lost children and loved ones. Such losses can seriously warp peoples' minds, cause them to look for someone to blame and desire vengance upon. I'm not saying vigilante justice type of thinking is the right way, however, losing children and loved ones is probably one of the top things could drive people to such a state of mind. imo, its bad policy to lie to the public. Just be honest - tell people there aren't enough masks to go around and healthcare workers are prioritized due to daily exposure with Covid patients. That's simple and perfectly understandable, so why even lie about it. When making public service announcements on major news outlets (reaching potentially millions), don't give people reason to thinking you're lying (about anything) by lying about something.
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Post by ForRealTho on Mar 7, 2023 13:05:34 GMT -5
heir thinking is that Fauci did know about the bioengineering (gain of function research) going on in the lab and lied about it. Some of these people in question, who believe Fauci lied and made the death threats toward him, probably lost children and loved ones. Such losses can seriously warp peoples' minds, cause them to look for someone to blame and desire vengance upon. I'm not saying vigilante justice type of thinking is the right way, however, losing children and loved ones is probably one of the top things could drive people to such a state of mind. You are probably right for some of them, the others I remember those people going on about COVID being a hoax and Fauci being the "deep state" mastermind of it all. At least the people I remember them arresting for making threats.
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Post by sj on Mar 7, 2023 13:29:16 GMT -5
heir thinking is that Fauci did know about the bioengineering (gain of function research) going on in the lab and lied about it. Some of these people in question, who believe Fauci lied and made the death threats toward him, probably lost children and loved ones. Such losses can seriously warp peoples' minds, cause them to look for someone to blame and desire vengance upon. I'm not saying vigilante justice type of thinking is the right way, however, losing children and loved ones is probably one of the top things could drive people to such a state of mind. You are probably right for some of them, the others I remember those people going on about COVID being a hoax and Fauci being the "deep state" mastermind of it all. At least the people I remember them arresting for making threats. This is a complex topic, way too complex to understand fully. I think we can agree that there was a shitton of planning & policies, some of which were mistakes like the lying (even if the intentions were for the greater good) or guessing on certain things (really not knowing, but pretending to know, such as claims of vaccine effectiveness which changed throughout the entire pandemic) that led to the erosion of public trust. That's probably the worst aspect of the pandemic (i.e. government, agencies, and so-called experts losing public trust), so when the next pandemic hits it'll be even harder to get people to comply with initiatives. Despite those mistakes, I do undertand that overall there was legit intent of fighting the pandemic. Still, I would like to see them investigate the origins and if lab leak can be proven, create policies to do something about that and hopefully prevent another lab leak.
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Post by Emig5m on Mar 7, 2023 22:43:25 GMT -5
Lets not forget... The same people who were preaching to stay home and to social distance and mask up repeatedly got caught breaking their own rules (Deborah Birx for example). Rules for thee, not for me. The same people who said that they wouldn't take the vaccine if it had anything to do with trump flipped 180 and invoked vaccine mandates. The lie that the vaccine would stop the transmission of the virus to other people has been proven false. Safe and effective being questionable...data to backup a surge of non covid related deaths since the vaccines came out which is some very interesting timing. Many people losing their jobs and livelihood over broken vaccines that really didn't work and possibly caused health issues and deaths from myocarditis.
How odd Bill Gates sold some shares in the vax companies and then turns on the vaccines. Oh does even Mr. Vax himself know that they are a fraud?
WHERE IS TIFFANY DOVER?! HAS ANYONE FOUND HER ALIVE YET?
Everyday I see more shit like this...
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Post by Emig5m on Mar 7, 2023 22:55:00 GMT -5
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Post by sj on Mar 8, 2023 8:20:33 GMT -5
Lets not forget... The same people who were preaching to stay home and to social distance and mask up repeatedly got caught breaking their own rules (Deborah Birx for example). Rules for thee, not for me. The same people who said that they wouldn't take the vaccine if it had anything to do with trump flipped 180 and invoked vaccine mandates. The lie that the vaccine would stop the transmission of the virus to other people has been proven false. Safe and effective being questionable...data to backup a surge of non covid related deaths since the vaccines came out which is some very interesting timing. Many people losing their jobs and livelihood over broken vaccines that really didn't work and possibly caused health issues and deaths from myocarditis.
How odd Bill Gates sold some shares in the vax companies and then turns on the vaccines. Oh does even Mr. Vax himself know that they are a fraud?
WHERE IS TIFFANY DOVER?! HAS ANYONE FOUND HER ALIVE YET?
Everyday I see more shit like this...
Gates sold his shares at 10x profit. That's the thing about Gates - he pretends to be a philanthropist, but his actions show he's in it for personal gain. I hear nonprofits make for great tax shelters too. He's in charge of the whole operations, so he gets power & influence (something all egomaniac billionaries crave) out of it too. Gates is also the #1 financial contributor of the WHO, so they pretty much do whatever he says. He says push brand X vaccine, they'll push it. He divests his vaccine shares and invests in other anti-viral therapies, says push those, then they'll push on those on the world.. so on and so forth.
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Post by ForRealTho on Mar 8, 2023 10:15:38 GMT -5
Many people losing their jobs and livelihood over broken vaccines that really didn't work and possibly caused health issues and deaths from myocarditis. How odd Bill Gates sold some shares in the vax companies and then turns on the vaccines. Oh does even Mr. Vax himself know that they are a fraud?
I decided to look up what he said and this is what I found "We also need to fix the three problems of They’re not broad, so when new variants come up you lose protection, and they have very short duration, particularly in the people who matter, which are old people.” He also right after that said "Every single one of those problems is fixable" He starts at 54:30 At no point did he say they were worthless or junk or anything like that. Ofc the anti-vax conspiracy people twisted what he said completely out of context and continue their bizarre fixation on Gates and everything he says. Every time I see one of these "Bill Gates ADMITS the DEEP STATE PLANNED FAKE COVID19 THOUGHT CONTROL EXPERIMENT" videos the actual quote from Gates is pretty mild and never what they claim. I got the bivalent booster which fixes the problem of it only targeting the original variant as he said. I think it was last October? As too myocarditis, I just started lifting weights at the gym for the first time since 2018 and started biking hardcore again. 20 years ago before COVID was even a thing I have worked out so hard that I got chest pains, my father has had a few heart attacks. I'm going to the gym tonight, hypothetical situation if I drop over dead tonight while lifting or next time I ride my bike the anti-vax people would say "AH HA! See! That guy had the vax AND a heart attack the evidence is rock solid that the vaccine caused it!" I'm in my 40s now and the chances of a heart attack are astronomically higher for me then someone in their 20s: www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/heart-attack-age-range#incidence-rate
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Post by sj on Mar 8, 2023 12:37:31 GMT -5
Many people losing their jobs and livelihood over broken vaccines that really didn't work and possibly caused health issues and deaths from myocarditis. How odd Bill Gates sold some shares in the vax companies and then turns on the vaccines. Oh does even Mr. Vax himself know that they are a fraud?
I decided to look up what he said and this is what I found "We also need to fix the three problems of They’re not broad, so when new variants come up you lose protection, and they have very short duration, particularly in the people who matter, which are old people.” He also right after that said "Every single one of those problems is fixable" He starts at 54:30 At no point did he say they were worthless or junk or anything like that. Ofc the anti-vax conspiracy people twisted what he said completely out of context and continue their bizarre fixation on Gates and everything he says. Every time I see one of these "Bill Gates ADMITS the DEEP STATE PLANNED FAKE COVID19 THOUGHT CONTROL EXPERIMENT" videos the actual quote from Gates is pretty mild and never what they claim. I got the bivalent booster which fixes the problem of it only targeting the original variant as he said. I think it was last October? As too myocarditis, I just started lifting weights at the gym for the first time since 2018 and started biking hardcore again. 20 years ago before COVID was even a thing I have worked out so hard that I got chest pains, my father has had a few heart attacks. I'm going to the gym tonight, hypothetical situation if I drop over dead tonight while lifting or next time I ride my bike the anti-vax people would say "AH HA! See! That guy had the vax AND a heart attack the evidence is rock solid that the vaccine caused it!"I'm in my 40s now and the chances of a heart attack are astronomically higher for me then someone in their 20s: www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/heart-attack-age-range#incidence-rateI don't think anybody's saying heart attacks alone are proof. Rather, it's the stats.. the rise of excess deaths and heart problems (particularly in young ppl) post-vax era that raises suspicions. Doctors in Germany performed autopsies and found heart damage in young people linked to vaccine-related immune response. Officials in the US declined recommendations to perform autopsies regarding similar cases in Amercians. Don't do the research and you won't find anything to report. How convenient.. Of course, you wouldn't hear about any of this if you depend solely on mainstream and/or leftist news sources.
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Post by sj on Mar 8, 2023 12:41:18 GMT -5
Everything is fixable after he's spent a few years promoting the Covid vax as doing those things (he now says it doesn't), selling his shares, and investing in these alternate treatments he no doubt intends to profit off of. Again, convenient.
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Post by ForRealTho on Mar 8, 2023 13:43:27 GMT -5
Of course, you wouldn't hear about any of this if you depend solely on mainstream and/or leftist news sources. I'm glad you said that. Its become a right wing talking point to hate vaccines. Its not about Bill Gates, COVID, or hell, even vaccines themselves. Its about reinforcing a sense of belonging as a right wing person. "I view myself as right wing therefore I hate vaccines because that is what right wing people do" Its interesting that Fox News is viewed as mainstream media now because up till the minute they called Arizona for Biden instantaneously they were no longer "outside of the mainstream"
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Post by Emig5m on Mar 8, 2023 22:05:24 GMT -5
Of course, you wouldn't hear about any of this if you depend solely on mainstream and/or leftist news sources. I'm glad you said that. Its become a right wing talking point to hate vaccines. Its not about Bill Gates, COVID, or hell, even vaccines themselves. Its about reinforcing a sense of belonging as a right wing person. "I view myself as right wing therefore I hate vaccines because that is what right wing people do" Its interesting that Fox News is viewed as mainstream media now because up till the minute they called Arizona for Biden instantaneously they were no longer "outside of the mainstream" Man you really are out of the loop about the health issues going on. Even guys like Dr. Drew has been turned skeptical and he was the opposite lol. Look at Dr. Cambels most recent video where he shows the statistics of Americans who are accepting boosters is really low and he was glad to see that Americans are waking up.
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Post by Emig5m on Mar 8, 2023 23:30:19 GMT -5
Oh noes....now the FBI is believing in conspiracy theories!
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Post by ForRealTho on Mar 10, 2023 23:25:28 GMT -5
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Post by sj on Mar 14, 2023 20:25:20 GMT -5
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Post by ForRealTho on Mar 17, 2023 13:27:01 GMT -5
Valid point. If COVID is a "Chinese Bioweapon" why wouldn't you wear a mask to try and provide a little bit of protection from it?
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Post by Emig5m on Mar 18, 2023 0:00:36 GMT -5
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Post by sj on Mar 18, 2023 9:58:01 GMT -5
Japanese excess deaths linked to Covid vaccine (through dozens of autopsies).. those idiots doing research and reading. You're supposed to only listen to official western sources, like the US govt, CDC, and WHO (funded mostly by Bill Gates) that the vaccines are safe & effective. Only dummies (doctors in Germany and Japan) perform independent research related to C-19 vax. Big pharma in USA invented the thing and profited massively from it, so we should only trust their research. slaynews.com/news/japan-records-highest-excess-deaths-since-wwii-officials-demand-truth/
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