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Post by Coolverine on Oct 19, 2021 17:17:49 GMT -5
I have an uncle who is in his 70's and has heart problems, he got COVID before there was a vaccine but pulled through and recovered just fine. There were moments when he was critical, he actually had a heart attack while he was in the hospital ICU. There was definitely more danger from his heart problems than the COVID itself.
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Post by sj on Oct 20, 2021 13:35:38 GMT -5
You know it just might not be some crazy conspiracy. The Bohemian Grove(I assume that is what you mean) is silly frat boy stuff. Bill Gates was a ruthless businessman but as to population size what he means is with people in 3rd World countries not worried if their kids will die they would have less kids hence less population and less resources needed. Till the last 120 years death during child birth or kids dying before 5 was extremely common, with modern medicine family sizes have gone down. Exponential population growth is not sustainable and less people is a good thing overall. Donating billions in aid (money, food, medicine/vaccines) to 3rd world countries further increases their population growth tho (i.e. has the opposite effect of your narrative). Gates and other elites should make it clear how they intend to control populations and how vaccines would achieve that (Gates talked about them in the same context, during an interview). |
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Post by sj on Oct 20, 2021 13:47:12 GMT -5
Friend told me that when he OD'd on fentanyl laced heroin that he didn't feel a thing and it was like calmly falling asleep (heart stopped and everything). I'm thinking that might be my way out because I don't think I have the cahoonas to do the painful suicide route lol. The thought that I would be required to take a forced vax just to attend a concert or get a job I don't think I could live with. I don't care what anyone says, you won't convince me otherwise, when you have world elites meeting up in the woods of Cali doing what looks like mock up satan rituals (on video) and guys like Bill Gates talking about reducing world population through vaccines and all the other shady shit the government has done over the years, no way...no trust...too much weirdness going on....no long term testing...and why would they be giving cash bonuses to people to take it.... It's like, when you cross paths with a King Cobra, your own intuition is enough to tell you all that you need to know that it's a dangerous animal and to avoid and not try to walk up to it and give it a Biden sniff LOL. Or you could move to a state that overrides presidential executive orders with gubernatorial executive orders - i.e. Texas prohibits compulsory vaccine mandates and restrictions on travel & freedom. Those pesky founders with their crazy emphasis on seperate branches of govt and state power (decentralized government).  gov.texas.gov/news/post/governor-abbott-issues-executive-order-39-prohibiting-vaccine-mandates-in-texas |
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Post by ForRealTho on Oct 20, 2021 16:53:21 GMT -5
So the FDA is saying you can mix and match vaccines now. I'm in no rush but I will probably get a Moderna booster in January I guess. It still appears to be the best vaccine.
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Post by sj on Oct 21, 2021 10:17:12 GMT -5
So the FDA is saying you can mix and match vaccines now. I'm in no rush but I will probably get a Moderna booster in January I guess. It still appears to be the best vaccine. I wouldn't have thought mixing vaccines would be a problem, since we've already been doing that for decades (with other vaccines). Overall, vaccines are a good thing (I say overall, because there are rare cases where an individual's immune goes haywire in response to a vaccine). I believe there are caveats and misconceptions (on both sides - pro-vax and anti-vax). Of course, we already know about the anti-vax side because the media talks about it, so no point getting into it. Pro-vax ppl are generally arrogant about the vaccine's effectiveness and don't understand (or want to admit) how rapidly viruses & bacteria evolve and adapt, or that they themselves can still spread the disease.. The delta variant is already out there with the ability to infect the vaccinated and it'll no doubt evolve further to the point, sooner or later, that the vaccine is no longer effective (until a new vaccine comes out, obviously.. then it's rinse & repeat with all the same crap & arguments going on now). imo, government health care mandates are a slippery slope. Mandates are a means of taking personal choice out of health care. What's kind of irritating about this issue is that it runs counter to the Democrat party's mantras over the past 5 decades - Pro-choice, my body my choice, don't tell us what to do with our bodies, healthcare should be personal choice, etc. |
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Post by sj on Oct 21, 2021 10:27:12 GMT -5
Imagine if/when there are cases where they force pregnant women to get the jab, then their newborns come out with birth defects (whether defects are related to the vaccine or not). Lawsuit city.
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Post by ForRealTho on Oct 21, 2021 15:19:59 GMT -5
Regardless of if Bill was banging underage girls with Epstein or not, when it comes to philanthropy he puts his money where his mouth and has used his wealth to help a lot of people. Philanthropy is his full time job. Steve Jobs didn't give shit to charity.
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Post by ForRealTho on Oct 23, 2021 8:59:58 GMT -5
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Post by sj on Oct 23, 2021 13:25:01 GMT -5
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Post by sj on Oct 23, 2021 19:37:00 GMT -5
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Post by ForRealTho on Oct 23, 2021 19:54:54 GMT -5
Didn't actually watch the video but a friend of mine got COVID last November then caught it again in September. I am willing to bet if he got 2x Moderna he wouldn't have got it again. |
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Post by sj on Oct 23, 2021 21:36:05 GMT -5
Didn't actually watch the video but a friend of mine got COVID last November then caught it again in September. I am willing to bet if he got 2x Moderna he wouldn't have got it again. Immunity doesn't last with these type of viruses. The virus mutates and little doubt there are different strains out there already capable of re-infecting ppl who have natural and/or vaccine "immunity." The guy who made the video is an MD. He cited an (independent of the CDC and WHO) Israeli study that showed 1x vaccine after recovering & natural immunity increases antibody count, but the second shot didn't. Also, the study showed that severe reaction/condition (like Myocarditis), in such cases, most often results in 1-7 days after the second shot (again, only for ppl who've already recovered & developed natural "immunity). He's not being anti-vax here. He's suggesting that professionals & organizations do need to factor in natural immunity and allow ppl to consider the pros vs cons (especially when considering 2nd or booster shots). |
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Post by ForRealTho on Oct 23, 2021 22:32:06 GMT -5
The guy who made the video is an MD. He cited an (independent of the CDC and WHO) Israeli study that showed 1x vaccine after recovering & natural immunity increases antibody count, but the second shot didn't. Also, the study showed that severe reaction/condition (like Myocarditis), in such cases, most often results in 1-7 days after the second shot (again, only for ppl who've already recovered & developed natural "immunity). He's not being anti-vax here. He's suggesting that professionals & organizations do need to factor in natural immunity and allow ppl to consider the pros vs cons (especially when considering 2nd or booster shots). Statistically there aren't any cons from getting the vaccine besides some extremely rare reactions. Statistically you are far more likely to have bad side effects from COVID such as long COVID then any sort of side effects from the vaccine. You should read up on the COVID long haulers. Notice the suicide prevention and support thread pinned to the top: www.reddit.com/r/covidlonghaulers/There is always a chance of extreme reactions to anything. Ever taken a Tylenol? www.fda.gov/drugs/drug-safety-and-availability/questions-and-answers-fda-warns-rare-serious-skin-reactions-pain-relieverfever-reducer-acetaminophenI guess I should start a YouTube channel ranting about how Tylenol is a conspiracy by Big Pharma to give people SJS so they are forced to go to the hospital and run up medical bills blah blah. What I don't understand is all the studies showing the positive effects of vaccines are dismissed as lies from the government, Big Pharma, the "Deep State" or whatever but any study that shows the vaccines could be ineffective or have bad side effects are all the sudden valid? Why? I know Joe Rogan latched on to any info that shows ivermectin could be positive but flat refuses to take the vaccine and is dismissive of any evidence that shows the vaccines help. I don't know if he is just pandering to his audience. Anyway I have already been exposed to COVID and got my 2x Moderna. I am in no big rush for a booster shot but will get it eventually. |
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Post by sj on Oct 23, 2021 22:55:59 GMT -5
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Post by ForRealTho on Oct 24, 2021 0:09:59 GMT -5
The antivax people dismiss any study that is positive about the vaccines no matter what they say then latch onto ivermectin, to the point of threatening Drs who won't give it to them an their relatives. Then you look at the ivermectin studies: www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/10/ivermectin-research-problems/620473/This is giving my Deja Vu and making me feel like I am in a time warp back in the early 2000s. I have long since retired from arguing with those people or reading about them but I became aware of Young Earth Creationists(YECs) back then. There is some overlap in their philosophy and that of the antivax people. I would be willing to bet money those YEC people are antivax in 2021, I would be absolutely shocked if they weren't. The YECs basically said ALL scientists were involved in some big satanic conspiracy to promote evolution, some of them said that scientists were probably in direct communication with the devil to get their orders. I'm not even kidding. Not just biologists but geologists and every other form of science was in on the conspiracy. The goal was to destroy Christian faith via spreading evolution in public schools. Basically any and ALL science of all kinds was rejected by them as lies of the devil. However if they could find any scientists or scientific papers that could possibly make evolution look bad they would cite them as true........even tho they just got done telling you that all science was lies of the devil. Why quote science if its all lies? Its like the people who say COVID isn't real or exaggerated selling immune system boosters. Boost my immune system against what? They already said COVID isn't a big deal. |
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Post by sj on Oct 24, 2021 11:40:45 GMT -5
Is evolution still taught in schools or are the YEC's a large & impactful enough group to actually fuck up the system at the national level?
I wouldn't worry about them too much. Generally speaking, the majority rules and, as you've said yourself, this country is increasingly becoming more & more secular.
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Post by ForRealTho on Oct 24, 2021 14:16:14 GMT -5
Is evolution still taught in schools or are the YEC's a large & impactful enough group to actually fuck up the system at the national level? I wouldn't worry about them too much. Generally speaking, the majority rules and, as you've said yourself, this country is increasingly becoming more & more secular. Actually yes. They are well funded and specifically target Texas textbooks because if they can change textbooks in Texas they change them for the whole country. We are talking 20+ year old stuff but they came up with the "Wedge document/wedge strategy" to explain their long term goals. No doubt those same people view Trump as their big savior even tho he has little interest or use for Christianity: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wedge_strategy |
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Post by sj on Oct 24, 2021 15:04:31 GMT -5
Is evolution still taught in schools or are the YEC's a large & impactful enough group to actually fuck up the system at the national level? I wouldn't worry about them too much. Generally speaking, the majority rules and, as you've said yourself, this country is increasingly becoming more & more secular. Actually yes. They are well funded and specifically target Texas textbooks because if they can change textbooks in Texas they change them for the whole country. We are talking 20+ year old stuff but they came up with the "Wedge document/wedge strategy" to explain their long term goals. No doubt those same people view Trump as their big savior even tho he has little interest or use for Christianity: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wedge_strategyFortunately, my schooling in Texas predates the Wedge movement. None of my (K-12) teachers taught creationism - it wasn't in the textbooks at all during that period. I remember big bang theory being taught in high school. I wouldn't let science strictly guide my thinking on everything though. Science makes mistakes too, sometimes really big mistakes. While I was in high school, the physics textbooks taught that most of the stuff in the universe was matter, which has since been proven to be false. Now they say the universe is made of mostly dark energy and dark matter. But at least, over the long-term, this is one of science's strengths. The scientific method, new studies & papers, and peer review allow for (eventual) course corrections. |
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Post by sj on Oct 25, 2021 14:20:49 GMT -5
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Post by sj on Oct 25, 2021 14:25:02 GMT -5
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Post by ForRealTho on Oct 28, 2021 8:27:10 GMT -5
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Post by sj on Oct 28, 2021 19:17:34 GMT -5
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Post by sj on Oct 30, 2021 18:42:39 GMT -5
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Post by ForRealTho on Oct 30, 2021 18:55:16 GMT -5
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Post by ForRealTho on Oct 31, 2021 17:01:10 GMT -5
So growing up in Alaska the importance of Vitamin D was hammered into us as kids, Russia has been doing Vitamin D treatments for kids for decades with the long winters. Saw this: pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34684596/I am willing to bet that somewhere out there some QAnon dumbass read that and is like "The CDC says I should take Vitamin D to fight COVID, I'm NEVER taking that shit. Vitamin D is for libtards!" I would be willing to bet pretty much everything I own. |
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Post by ForRealTho on Nov 2, 2021 12:23:29 GMT -5
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Post by sj on Nov 2, 2021 14:56:51 GMT -5
www.the-sun.com/news/3202525/worlds-deadliest-viruses-sent-wuhan-leak-lab-scientists-canada/Which begs the questions, how did "rogue" scientists linked to the CCP & Chinese military get past the screening/hiring process and get jobs in Canada? Oh right, western countries are all about diversity, so much so, there's very little concern or worry where those diverse candidates hail from. Also, the Canadian PM is good friends with the CCP, so I'm not even sure how "rogue" these scientists actually were. On the flip side, western Capitalism (i.e. Big Pharma, etc) never ceases to capitalize (profiteer) on disasters created by their geo-political enemies. 
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Post by ForRealTho on Nov 4, 2021 13:09:37 GMT -5
Oral drug approved for COVID. People will take any crap they read about in conspiracy Facebook groups but how many of those people will reject this approved pill as "5g Bill Gates mind control" I wonder? www.bbc.com/news/health-59163899 |
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Post by ForRealTho on Nov 5, 2021 8:12:54 GMT -5
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Post by ForRealTho on Nov 6, 2021 14:16:28 GMT -5
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