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Post by Coolverine on Sept 26, 2017 18:49:21 GMT -5
This time around, Nintendo's promising that there will be plenty and saying to not buy them from scalpers.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2017 9:42:14 GMT -5
This time around, Nintendo's promising that there will be plenty and saying to not buy them from scalpers. Are you sure that Nintendo isn't lying again? Remember, they kept promising to increase production of NES mini so that it'd be available for fans, then never followed through and abruptly cancelled production altogether (despite the unfulfilled demand still being there). Regardless, the SNES classic system only has 21 games on it. 20 of the games on SNES classic are decades old and already available on emulator (the exception is the never before released Starfox 2). If additional games could be downloaded or even if they released games at regular intervals, then I'd say go for it. But as it stands, adding games isn't a feature of the system. Look at the articles on this thing. It's already shaping up to be a rinse & repeat of the NES mini, with the hype surrounding its "rarity." OMG, not enough SNES classics to go around, what are fans to do... lol time.com/4876262/super-nes-classic-price-release-date-buy/
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Post by Cop on Sept 29, 2017 10:43:11 GMT -5
Speaking of decades old, I'd much rather have a SNES than a NES. Gameplay is one thing but at a certain time you've gotta admit the graphics just aren't good enough anymore. I'm having problems with 8-bit graphics. 16-bit pixelart however is my kinda retro...
I haven't looked up any of the titles but I'm guessing it's the usual bunch of Nintendo shit, i.e. a bunch of Mario and Zelda in which I have zero interest and no doubt that godawful looking Donkey Kong game. Ugh, I always hated those digitised pre-rendered sprites. Draw nice pixelart!
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Post by ForRealTho on Sept 29, 2017 10:53:47 GMT -5
Speaking of decades old, I'd much rather have a SNES than a NES. Gameplay is one thing but at a certain time you've gotta admit the graphics just aren't good enough anymore. I'm having problems with 8-bit graphics. 16-bit pixelart however is my kinda retro... I haven't looked up any of the titles but I'm guessing it's the usual bunch of Nintendo shit, i.e. a bunch of Mario and Zelda in which I have zero interest and no doubt that godawful looking Donkey Kong game. Ugh, I always hated those digitised pre-rendered sprites. Draw nice pixelart! Super Metroid and FFIII are both amazing games still. One could argue that Super Metroid is the best game ever made.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2017 11:09:32 GMT -5
Speaking of decades old, I'd much rather have a SNES than a NES. Gameplay is one thing but at a certain time you've gotta admit the graphics just aren't good enough anymore. I'm having problems with 8-bit graphics. 16-bit pixelart however is my kinda retro... I haven't looked up any of the titles but I'm guessing it's the usual bunch of Nintendo shit, i.e. a bunch of Mario and Zelda in which I have zero interest and no doubt that godawful looking Donkey Kong game. Ugh, I always hated those digitised pre-rendered sprites. Draw nice pixelart! imo, that's why 16-bit consoles were the golden age of gaming. Neo Geo was perhaps the pinnacle of 16-bit systems regarding nice pixel art (even though the games were crazy expensive). When games went 3D, things starting to get boring with overly rehashed genres (WWII first person shooters, etc.). Also, Zombie-themed games are too overdone. Boring sh!t, except probably Resident Evil (because Capcom incorporates horror & a plot, not just mind-numbing zombie killing). Developers throw zombies in their games because they know it'll instantly boost sales. It's essentially become the go-to theme when you've run out of ideas for making a game. Well, Indie developers have somewhat reversed the trend of overly rehashed 3D genres, even though they themselves produce tons of crappy games.
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Post by Coolverine on Sept 29, 2017 12:37:36 GMT -5
This time around, Nintendo's promising that there will be plenty and saying to not buy them from scalpers. Are you sure that Nintendo isn't lying again? Remember, they kept promising to increase production of NES mini so that it'd be available for fans, then never followed through and abruptly cancelled production altogether (despite the unfulfilled demand still being there). Regardless, the SNES classic system only has 21 games on it. 20 of the games on SNES classic are decades old and already available on emulator (the exception is the never before released Starfox 2). If additional games could be downloaded or even if they released games at regular intervals, then I'd say go for it. But as it stands, adding games isn't a feature of the system. Look at the articles on this thing. It's already shaping up to be a rinse & repeat of the NES mini, with the hype surrounding its "rarity." OMG, not enough SNES classics to go around, what are fans to do... lol time.com/4876262/super-nes-classic-price-release-date-buy/They did say they're gonna have em available into next year, so here's hoping it's true. They should just enforce a 1 or 2 per household policy, I guess they don't care.
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Post by Cop on Sept 29, 2017 12:58:39 GMT -5
When games went 3D, things starting to get boring with overly rehashed genres (WWII first person shooters, etc.). I'm not saying that's not true, because it is, but let's not forget at first 3D opened up the games market as well. Eventually 16-bit eventually became incredibly stagnant with the multitude of platform games, but PC (and then PS1) showed it didn't have to be that way. Doom/Quake finally showed a way out of the platform genre (and PC of course also cornered the market with strategic games like RTS with its higher resolutions and mouse control)...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2017 13:56:20 GMT -5
Are you sure that Nintendo isn't lying again? Remember, they kept promising to increase production of NES mini so that it'd be available for fans, then never followed through and abruptly cancelled production altogether (despite the unfulfilled demand still being there). Regardless, the SNES classic system only has 21 games on it. 20 of the games on SNES classic are decades old and already available on emulator (the exception is the never before released Starfox 2). If additional games could be downloaded or even if they released games at regular intervals, then I'd say go for it. But as it stands, adding games isn't a feature of the system. Look at the articles on this thing. It's already shaping up to be a rinse & repeat of the NES mini, with the hype surrounding its "rarity." OMG, not enough SNES classics to go around, what are fans to do... lol time.com/4876262/super-nes-classic-price-release-date-buy/They did say they're gonna have em available into next year, so here's hoping it's true. They should just enforce a 1 or 2 per household policy, I guess they don't care. I still say it's a ploy, for generating buzz around all things Nintendo. It's probably good for their stock prices too, leading investors to believe that people are clamoring for Nintendo products. And Nintendo does care about investors, because they caved to investor demands when they released a Mario game for mobile phones. Investors and stock market analysts think that mobile phone gaming is where the growth is at. Recall how they were constantly bashing Nintendo (stock) for previously not going the mobile phone route.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2017 14:19:30 GMT -5
When games went 3D, things starting to get boring with overly rehashed genres (WWII first person shooters, etc.). I'm not saying that's not true, because it is, but let's not forget at first 3D opened up the games market as well. Eventually 16-bit eventually became incredibly stagnant with the multitude of platform games, but PC (and then PS1) showed it didn't have to be that way. Doom/Quake finally showed a way out of the platform genre (and PC of course also cornered the market with strategic games like RTS with its higher resolutions and mouse control)... Valid points. But perhaps the main crux of the problem isn't the hardware. Maybe it's the fear of taking risks and potentially suffering huge losses. It's kind of like Hollywood and the film industry. It costs millions to make a product, so they can lose millions if it doesn't succeed. Thus, they have a tendency to stick to tried & true genres and themes, instead of trying new ideas. Now they're trying to shake up the gaming industry again with VR. But in reality, I think it's Indie developers that are keeping it from stagnating this time around (because they're primarily the ones experimenting with different ideas). Despite many of those games being bad also, at least they're injecting a bit variety in the selection of games on the market and quite a few of their games are actually quite decent.
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Post by Coolverine on Sept 29, 2017 14:24:21 GMT -5
If they do keep making em, I'll definitely get one. If they don't make enough to keep up with demand, then there's always emulators. They sell USB SNES controller clones that are pretty cheap too.
In the meantime I'll probably be binge-playing Cuphead anyway, I'm really enjoying it. It's very challenging but not impossible, reminds me a lot of Contra and Super Mario, where if you die you have to go back to the beginning of the level. The map also reminds me a lot of those old Zelda games.
I think if you play with 2 players, one can revive the other if they die.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2017 14:42:23 GMT -5
Technically, SNES classic uses an emulator to run the games, so it is basically an emulator. You're limited to 21 games. If you want to switch games, the console requires you to get up out of your seat and physically press the reset button (no home button on the controller, which PS4 has).
But at least you'd own the games legally. I wouldn't be so against getting one, if Nintendo actually kept their promise and produced enough so that people wouldn't have to buy them off of scalpers.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2017 14:49:45 GMT -5
If you're into platforming games, the Rayman games on PC (and consoles) are supposedly very good. The PC versions get alot of hate for being UBISoft (UPlay DRM) though.
3DS has a new Metroid game that's receiving rave reviews. Downside is that you'd have to buy a 3DS handheld system to play it. Sometimes I wish Nintendo had gone the way of Sega (i.e. drop out of hardware biz)... in that hypothetical world, I could play games like the new Metroid on the platforms that I already own.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2017 11:17:26 GMT -5
Bottom line is that Nintendo already had a practice run with NES mini, so they know exactly what the demand is like. They have zero excuses for not cranking out more units this time around (and we know they are capable, obviously, because they're already in the hardware biz and crank out plenty of Switches & 3DS's, which have much more complex internal hardware). If they don't, they're simply using the same ploy to generate buzz and pi$$ing on fans in the process. Certainly, you would have every right to be p'd off at Nintendo if they repeat the same shenanigans. Nintendo classics scalpers paradise v2.0 www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B0721GGGS9/ref=dp_olp_all_mbc?ie=UTF8&condition=all
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2017 14:17:43 GMT -5
I've read that the specs are the same for SNES classic. Nintendo is charging you $20 extra for a product that has the exact same internal hardware. The SNES classic includes 2 controllers, so it includes 1 more than NES classic did. Granted, the controllers probably costs them $2 a piece to manufacturer. Also, nine fewer games than the NES classic had. They definitely should've included more games. But they know how popular the thing will be regardless, so they don't give a rat's a$$.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2017 14:33:06 GMT -5
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Post by Coolverine on Oct 4, 2017 20:09:35 GMT -5
I remember you mentioned how things get overhyped, well today I went to my favorite taco place but it was completely packed and the drive-thru line went all the way out to the street. Turns out today is "National Taco Day" so lots of places are giving away free tacos. I'd rather just pay regular price for a few tacos and not have to wait in a ridiculously long line just to save 3 dollars. I can't even fathom how people go through such lengths just for that, not to mention all the gas they're burning while waiting in line. *edit* Oh yeah, I saw an SNES Classic on Ebay listed for $500,000.
I think maybe the scalpers aren't doing so well and are just trolling now.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2017 9:47:18 GMT -5
Yes, it would seem that people are getting dumber by the day... evidenced by the existence of sites like ebay (where ppl consistently overbid and pay way more than product/s are worth) and shopping holidays such as Black Friday (where people stand in line overnight, often in the cold, and most usually end up empty handed anyway). Also, many people buy right into the media propaganda and take on this mentality regarding politics that it's a kind of team sports (i.e. there are only 2 sides & viewpoints, and to hate, fight, oppose the other side no matter what). Loads of BS/fabrications spouted on a daily basis, designed purely to keep at us at each others' throats figuratively speaking, and to distract us from the real issues (and the true source of those issues). techcrunch.com/2017/10/04/the-monopoly-man-interview-equifax-forced-arbitration/
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2017 10:33:51 GMT -5
Are there any emulators banging out 1080p? 8-Bit graphics needs dat resolution yo! Yes, I believe many of the emulators on PC can bang out 1080P. Also, they include many filtering options to smooth out the graphics (and/or try to make the games look like they're being played on a CRT). NES & SNES classic consoles are limited to 720p. Not sure about graphics filtering they might have, but they do have an option to include CRT lines. Playing games on a large 1080P HDTV @ 720P resolution seems perfectly fine though, at least when I did so with the PS3. Perhaps because you're sitting far enough from the TV to not notice the slight blur (resulting from the TV not outputting at its native resolution). Probably only makes a difference if you're sitting really close to your monitor or tv. Actually, these old games might benefit from the slight blur (especially if the classic consoles aren't using any sort of graphics filters), since the old CRT tv's & monitors were somewhat blurry compared to modern monitors.
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Post by Coolverine on Oct 5, 2017 19:20:49 GMT -5
Gamestop had them in stock today for 20 minutes. I was working unfortunately.
*edit* Also the prices on Amazon are dropping, it was $180 earlier then $175, now it's $165. I think most people are actually not buying them from scalpers, and hopefully the price will keep dropping. I'd be willing to pay $100 for one but no more.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2017 21:15:35 GMT -5
That's due to Nintendo releasing them in very small batches per store. Sorry to be a naysayer, however, the demand for this product will continue to escalate with the holidays approaching. As such, expect Amazon scalper prices to trend upwards as we get closer to Dec 25. Perhaps after the holidays, if Nintendo releases more for a bit longer (into January and February), you'd have better luck finding one at an acceptable price. My gut tells me that Nintendo has no plans to significantly increase supply (by design), despite their claims to the contrary. They basically said the same sh!t regarding NES classic when people were clamoring for those, then the big N didn't actually follow through with increasing production. If you're lucky enough to find it for $100, I say go for it. Many of the games are actually very good and I can't argue against buying & owning legal copies of games. I'd rather buy them too, if/when they're available for acceptable prices. I'm glad these old games are making a come back, even if Nintendo is going about it the wrong way. If all else fails, there are superb emulators available for big N games and this retro console for Sega games (85 games included and wireless controllers, so you don't have to sit within 5 feet of your TV). www.bestbuy.com/site/sega-genesis-flashback-console-black/5901952.p?skuId=5901952&ref=212&loc=1&ksid=0e0c4567-9b8a-4c63-b51a-14a17c479e27&ksprof_id=3&ksaffcode=pg265372&ksdevice=c&lsft=ref:212
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Post by Coolverine on Oct 5, 2017 21:55:53 GMT -5
I have a feeling Sega is gonna do that right.
Atari's also making a similar product, I can't help but wonder if it'll include E.T..
*edit* Also the SNES mini's on Amazon are being sold by mostly new sellers, even saw some sellers with less than satisfactory ratings. Amazon's becoming like Ebay.
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Post by Cop on Oct 6, 2017 10:39:50 GMT -5
At least Sega now knows how NOT to do it. From that link I learned you can even plug in your old cartridges if you were to have any, which is nice backup to have.
But the fanboys aren't fawing as much over Sega as they are over Nintendo (god knows why). Plus I'm pretty sure I've already seen similar products available in stores from both Sega and Atari.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2017 10:56:12 GMT -5
At least Sega now knows how NOT to do it. From that link I learned you can even plug in your old cartridges if you were to have any, which is nice backup to have. But the fanboys aren't fawing as much over Sega as they are over Nintendo (god knows why). Plus I'm pretty sure I've already seen similar products available in stores from both Sega and Atari. True. However, Sega seems to improve on the design year after year. More games built in, wireless controllers, and cartridge slot. The SNES classic uses the exact same hardware as NES classic before it (same internals - cpu, storage, etc.). Same flaws/weaknesses too - wired controllers with ridiculously short cords, no ability to expand your limited games library unless you hack your unit, no home button requiring you to get up out of your seat & physically press the reset button on the console if you want to play a different game).
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2017 15:00:19 GMT -5
At least Sega now knows how NOT to do it. From that link I learned you can even plug in your old cartridges if you were to have any, which is nice backup to have. But the fanboys aren't fawing as much over Sega as they are over Nintendo (god knows why). Plus I'm pretty sure I've already seen similar products available in stores from both Sega and Atari. Yesterday, I read an article about the new Atari console - the Atari Flashback 8 Gold (yeah, they do a new edition of those almost yearly now too). Their spokesperson said it will have 120 games pre-installed and that they'll do the release the right way (a not so inconspicuous slam against Nintendo).
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2017 15:10:28 GMT -5
I have a feeling Sega is gonna do that right. Atari's also making a similar product, I can't help but wonder if it'll include E.T.. *edit* Also the SNES mini's on Amazon are being sold by mostly new sellers, even saw some sellers with less than satisfactory ratings. Amazon's becoming like Ebay. Nope, no E.T. armchairarcade.com/perspectives/2017/07/18/atari-flashback-8-gold-2017-official-game-list/That game was almost universally hated back in its day. haha Actually, I played it at a friend's house and thought it was interesting. It might even be considered the father or grandfather of "Toejam & Earl" that was released years later on the Sega Megadrive/Genesis (both games have a top-down view and you wander around, kind of aimlessly, collecting items).
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Post by Coolverine on Oct 6, 2017 15:34:07 GMT -5
Yep, that game was so bad they aren't even including it, I'm not surprised.
Didn't they find thousands of copies of it buried in some landfill, because that's how much it wasn't selling?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2017 17:09:00 GMT -5
Yep, that game was so bad they aren't even including it, I'm not surprised. Didn't they find thousands of copies of it buried in some landfill, because that's how much it wasn't selling? Yeah, it was a random landfill in the New Mexico desert. The execs were embarrassed by the game's colossal failure and kept the burial site a well-guarded secret. It took scavenger hunters years to find the secret E.T. video game burial grounds. lol Because they produced way too many (they were predicting it would be huge hit), and then it didn't sell much. I think they say the video game industry collapsed shortly after, and many people say the E.T. game was at least partially to blame. Of course, thanks to Nintendo/NES, home console games became popular again in the mid-80's.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2017 17:23:35 GMT -5
Gamestop had them in stock today for 20 minutes. I was working unfortunately. *edit* Also the prices on Amazon are dropping, it was $180 earlier then $175, now it's $165. I think most people are actually not buying them from scalpers, and hopefully the price will keep dropping. I'd be willing to pay $100 for one but no more. Prices went down again today. $145 + $5 shipping is lowest price I've seen yet (from a re-seller w/ good ratings). www.ebay.com/itm/SNES-CLASSIC-EDITION-MINI-CONSOLE-In-Hand-Ships-Today-/202074893908?epid=238940552&hash=item2f0c9a2e54:g:-9oAAOSwSDZZpjrGRe-sellers appear to be getting scared that Nintendo might unload an adequate supply on the market and they (the re-sellers) will be stuck with the excess inventory.
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Post by Coolverine on Oct 6, 2017 17:25:44 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2017 17:33:28 GMT -5
If you're going to buy that many games at once, might as well join the Best Buy gamer's club and save 20% on each game.
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