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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2018 18:39:40 GMT -5
I was in Target today and (no surprise) the PS1 Classic isn't flying off the shelves. The display case in Target's electronics dept was full of them. There were about 20 and probably more in the back.
Compared to one NES Classic and three SNES Classics in the same store.
Maybe Sony will learn a lesson and not do things half-arsed next time. All they needed to do was put a little more time & money into product development, use an in-house emulator w/ scanlines & filtering options, target 60fps in every game, and survey folks on which games are really considered true classics. If they had simply done that, the PS1 Classic could've been great.
Looking forward to the N64 Classic, since it's one console I missed out on. But i expect it'll be a huge hit and hard to find at launch.
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Post by Emig5m on Dec 11, 2018 19:50:35 GMT -5
PS1 for me = Driver, Wipeout, Resident Evil. I actually didn't care for the PS1.... blocky/chunkiest graphics ever! I can just imagine how bad it would look on a modern display! I'd rather have remastered HD versions on the PC, lol.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2018 20:34:56 GMT -5
They have remastered a few titles. Spyro trilogy, Crash trilogy, Resident Evil 2, etc.
You missed my point though. Even with the original titles, they could've remedied the jaggies and made a great product, with emulators that are currently available. Granted, the cheap hardware they chose for the PS1 Classic likely wouldn't be able to handle it.
Regardless, there are PS1 emulators that improve and smooth out the graphics. PC or the Nvidia Shield TV aren't bad platforms to replay PS1 classics on a modern display. Nvidia Shield TV has great specs for the money ($139 is what I paid). It's compact and more aesthetic than having a PC sitting next to your tv.
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Post by Emig5m on Dec 11, 2018 23:49:20 GMT -5
Too many games to play and not enough time in the universe to play them all....I'll pass either way....lol...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2018 23:57:30 GMT -5
Oh, I'm passing on it too. It's not a good classic system.
Regardless, the original PS1 was #1 in its day for a reason. Because what sells systems? It's the games, duh.
Today, the same holds true. Xbox One X has the best hardware of the current gen systems. Yet, in sales, it's in 3rd place behind the PS4 and Switch. The reason is obvious, Xbox is sorely lacking in the exclusives dept.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2018 9:23:35 GMT -5
Many ppl think the OSSC is a good, low-lag way of improving the image quality of original hardware/consoles. www.videogameperfection.com/products/open-source-converter/They say it can be tricky to set up properly and compatibility varies depending on your tv, so it's something to research before buying. Also, with this device, you'd have to buy the appropriate SCART cables for your console/s and a VGA to HDMI adapter (they use VGA output on the OSSC to avoid HDMI licensing fees). www.retrogamingcables.co.uk/packapunch-range/N64-NTSC-RGB-Modified-PACKAPUNCH-PRO-RGB-SCART-CABLEConsoles like the N64 don't have RGB capability built-in and would need to be RGB modded to get the above working properly on them. For the N64, I'm thinking that the OSSC would be an easier DIY job than the Ultra-HDMI kit, especially since the soldering required for the RGB mod looks much easier compared to soldering needed for the HDMI mod. retrorgb.com/n64rgbmod.html |
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Post by Cop on Dec 12, 2018 11:28:15 GMT -5
If you've still got the original game discs, the PS3 is a better PS1 classic. As far as I'm aware, every PS1 game works on the PS3. Every game of the ones I've tried at least. It even does bilinear filtering (the jaggies you're stuck with however). Load times remain as they originally were as well.
Alternatievely there's a bunch of 'ps1 classics' in the PS-store. The ones I've got seem to be pretty good recreations. But why anyone would prefer still playing WipeOut (which I once got for free) instead of WipeOut HD (or any of the portable WipeOuts on PSP/Vita, which are all good), is beyond me. It's not that great of a game compared to the rest of the series, not just because of the graphics.
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Post by Cop on Dec 12, 2018 14:15:04 GMT -5
I've never had any real interest in these retro consoles (especially not with the games line-up they ended up with (snes, I'm looking at you)) until this one came around:  Seeing how there wasn't any new Lego Technic this year (I already got the Bugatti in the summer), I went and bought this as my Xmas gift for myself instead. Quickly fired it up to see if everything worked before I put it under the tree, which it did, so now the real wait begins. I didn't get an extra controller yet. I wanted to check the console out first before throwing more money at it but it seems to be worth it, so I'll have a look around as I'm doing some more Xmas shopping offline and if I don't come across one, I can still get it online. It's not exactly the one on the picture, the international release looks a bit different (better if you ask me, except for the coloured buttons, those look better than the grey ones on the international version, I might make some stickers for them)... |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2018 14:19:57 GMT -5
If you've still got the original game discs, the PS3 is a better PS1 classic. As far as I'm aware, every PS1 game works on the PS3. Every game of the ones I've tried at least. It even does bilinear filtering (the jaggies you're stuck with however). Load times remain as they originally were as well. Alternatievely there's a bunch of 'ps1 classics' in the PS-store. The ones I've got seem to be pretty good recreations. But why anyone would prefer still playing WipeOut (which I once got for free) instead of WipeOut HD (or any of the portable WipeOuts on PSP/Vita, which are all good), is beyond me. It's not that great of a game compared to the rest of the series, not just because of the graphics. The vast majority of PS1 games work on PS3, but not all. Supposedly, the PS3 (and PSP) use some combination of hardware and Sony in-house software emulator to run PS1 games. Regardless, your point stands, because everyone says that PS1 games play much better (smoother framerates, etc.) on PS3 compared to the PS1 classic (which uses an open source emulator). Some ppl speculate Sony chose the open source emulator for the PS1 classic because it was necessary to attain acceptable performance from the cheaper specs (i.e. this allowed Sony to use drek cpu's from China, that are often used in cheap smartphones, and keep hardware costs down). |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2018 15:48:47 GMT -5
I've never had any real interest in these retro consoles (especially not with the games line-up they ended up with (snes, I'm looking at you)) until this one came around: Seeing how there wasn't any new Lego Technic this year (I already got the Bugatti in the summer), I went and bought this as my Xmas gift for myself instead. Quickly fired it up to see if everything worked before I put it under the tree, which it did, so now the real wait begins. I didn't get an extra controller yet. I wanted to check the console out first before throwing more money at it but it seems to be worth it, so I'll have a look around as I'm doing some more Xmas shopping offline and if I don't come across one, I can still get it online. It's not exactly the one on the picture, the international release looks a bit different (better if you ask me, except for the coloured buttons, those look better than the grey ones on the international version, I might make some stickers for them)... Neo Geo Mini vs Neo Geo Mini International. Your games list depends on the version... www.nintendolife.com/news/2018/06/these_are_the_games_included_in_snkrs_neo_geo_mini_and_neo_geo_mini_internationalIn either case, you get 40 games with Neo Geo's portable console. The "SNK 40th Anniversary Collection" for consoles is watered down with only 23 games (13 included and 10 downloadable). www.pcmag.com/news/363513/snk-40th-anniversary-collection-now-includes-23-games |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2018 16:26:32 GMT -5
PS1 for me = Driver, Wipeout, Resident Evil. I actually didn't care for the PS1.... blocky/chunkiest graphics ever! I can just imagine how bad it would look on a modern display! I'd rather have remastered HD versions on the PC, lol. I believe there are already some remastered versions of the Resident Evil series - released on PS4, Xbox, and PC (through Steam). Resident Evil 1 remastered can be had buy purchasing "Resident Evil Origins Collection" (on PS4 and Xbox). Resident Evil 2 (a remake, not just a remaster) As Cop just mentioned, they've already remastered the Wipeout series. The Driver games were great fun. But no remasters that I'm aware of. Sign the petition! www.change.org/p/ubisoft-the-driver-game-series-should-be-remastered-and-rebooted |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2018 14:12:26 GMT -5
This is pretty nice, custom edition of the SNES that plays cartridges. Costs $250: www.polygon.com/2018/12/3/18123680/analogue-super-nt-ghostly-international-price-release-dateCan be bought here: www.analogue.co/editions/ghostly-super-nt/Comes with an 8bitdo controller, also custom. I feel like I'd be more inclined to buy one if it also could have ROM's loaded onto it and not just be an SNES system. I vaguely remember reading somewhere that it does do that, but there is nothing about it on the website. Still considering buying one though. Was reading the features, it says Phil Fish designed the bootup animation sequence. Thought that was interesting, I don't think he's done anything since Fez. I read a little about the firmware hacks for the Nt mini (the one that plays NES/Famicom games). The hack allows you to play roms on the console using an SD card. However, it's not compatible with games that ran on special chips (in the cart) and has some bugs. If you're going to spend that much money on a retro console and want it to play roms out of the box (without downloading and tweaking Emulators, like you would with the Nvidia Shield TV), "Retro Freak" is probably the best option. www.cybergadget.co.jp/retrofreak/en.html |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2018 15:03:24 GMT -5
I've never had any real interest in these retro consoles (especially not with the games line-up they ended up with (snes, I'm looking at you)) until this one came around: Seeing how there wasn't any new Lego Technic this year (I already got the Bugatti in the summer), I went and bought this as my Xmas gift for myself instead. Quickly fired it up to see if everything worked before I put it under the tree, which it did, so now the real wait begins. I didn't get an extra controller yet. I wanted to check the console out first before throwing more money at it but it seems to be worth it, so I'll have a look around as I'm doing some more Xmas shopping offline and if I don't come across one, I can still get it online. It's not exactly the one on the picture, the international release looks a bit different (better if you ask me, except for the coloured buttons, those look better than the grey ones on the international version, I might make some stickers for them)... NEOGEO mini Christmas Limited Edition www.amazon.com/NEOGEO-Christmas-Limited-Priority-Pocket-Color/dp/B07KL14TV3/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1545076826&sr=8-3&keywords=neo+geo+mini |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2018 15:14:07 GMT -5
PS Classic already being discounted. www.target.com/p/sony-playstation-classic-edition-console/-/A-541406378BitDo solves the PS1 Classic's lack of analog sticks problem. www.8bitdo.com/usb-adapter-ps1-classic/Although, I still think the PS1 Classic is fundamentally flawed with weak hardware and poor emulation. Maybe worth considering, if the price drops another $15-25... And then buy one just for the outer shell (since that's the best thing about PS1 Classic) and replace/upgrade its internal hardware with a Raspberry Pi 4 (whenever that's released) and a better Playstation emulator. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2018 18:16:20 GMT -5
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Post by Cop on Dec 18, 2018 9:28:12 GMT -5
(and wall charger must be purchased separately). Let's be honest though, by now just about everyone has a few of those laying around already. And if not that, there's always something around with an USB out: a TV, a laptop, a computer screen, every new car,... And a lot of people already have a powerbank or some other portable battery. And if you're using the TV-out, you might as well plug it in one of the TV's USB slots. I think that's a non-issue and I totally understand their decision not to include any type of battery. It would make the system even more expensive and more prone to failures because that's another component that could break down. I do think they should've used a 1:1 HDMI connection instead of that mini version. I mean, it's not like there's not enough room in the system for a bigger connector. Most people have spare HDMI cables by now as well, but not mini-HDMI cables... |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2018 11:17:21 GMT -5
Yeah, but then you're constantly swapping/plugging in devices to your wall charger or buying one separately anyway to avoid all the swapping. Currently, I don't have any USB hubs next to my tv. My PC sure. But if I bought one of the NEOGEO Mini's, I'd be hooking it up to my tv, not PC monitor. Sony excluded the wall charger from the PS1 classic too, which is a shame considering the product isn't a good value proposition to begin with. Nintendo managed alright including wall chargers in both of their classic systems and the retail asking price is quite a bit lower than PS1 Classic as well. Batteries aren't that expensive and the device could be engineered such that the battery could be easily replaced. Include a simple panel behind the screen and done. They even make a battery for DIY mods like this. It's under $12. www.amazon.com/Phoneix-10000mAh-Lithium-Polymer-Rechargeable/dp/B071FB26GL/ref=sr_1_12?ie=UTF8&qid=1545149562&sr=8-12&keywords=10000mAh+rechargeable+battery |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2018 15:11:15 GMT -5
This guy covers pretty much everything the guy in the last vid skipped in regards to building your own PS1 Classic, such as installing heatsinks on the 'Pi to prevent heat-related cpu throttling and what emulator/software to look for.
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Post by ForRealTho on Dec 30, 2018 17:51:36 GMT -5
I don't know if its just for fun or the form factor but IMO it makes more sense to build a PC in a Mini case with a desktop processor. That gives you access to the latest emulation tech such as the new cores in RetroArch.
These little boxes and Raspberry Pi are never going to give the experience of an actual PC.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2018 19:29:43 GMT -5
I don't know if its just for fun or the form factor but IMO it makes more sense to build a PC in a Mini case with a desktop processor. That gives you access to the latest emulation tech such as the new cores in RetroArch. These little boxes and Raspberry Pi are never going to give the experience of an actual PC. There are a few reasons. Raspberry Pi consoles are smaller and less complex than mini-PC, no fan (quiet), less troubleshooting/maintenance, etc.. They make small carrying cases for the retro mini-consoles and people use them for gaming when they travel, so it's probably a tad more convenient than carrying around a mini-PC. Another reason is nostalgia... i.e. recapturing the look and feel of gaming on the older systems. They don't necessarily want or care about cranked up image quality, rather they're looking something closer to what they remember from back in the day. Lastly, building a system around Raspberry Pi is cheap, so people even with only minor interest probably figure why the heck not. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2018 23:00:46 GMT -5
Anyone with remote interest in building something like Raspberry Pi more than likely already has a PC. They could be after the smaller form factor and/or see another PC as redundant & more hassle. I guess it's similar reason more people choose to game on consoles rather than PC, often even when they usually own both.
Boot-up and loading a game is faster than PC too (judging by my experience with the NES/SNES classic... you just hit the power button and it's ready to go).
The software is free. It's a low-cost, easy way to do retro gaming. You price something low enough and make it (more) convenient, then people certainly go for it. Makes sense to me.
Of course, Raspberry Pi's can do much more than just gaming and it has a tiny form factor that no PC could match, so the product would exist regardless.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2018 23:28:36 GMT -5
Nothing wrong with a mini-PC either, for people who want that. It's a compromise/trade-off, you trade a larger form factor & significantly higher cost for more processing power. The "Hades Canyon" (Intel NUC) looks pretty awesome, with a Vega gpu that's "VR ready." It's about $1000 tho. I guess you're paying for the small form factor (looks smaller than most mini-PC cases). simplynuc.com/hades-canyon/ |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2019 16:26:15 GMT -5
If you've still got the original game discs, the PS3 is a better PS1 classic. As far as I'm aware, every PS1 game works on the PS3. Every game of the ones I've tried at least. It even does bilinear filtering (the jaggies you're stuck with however). Load times remain as they originally were as well. Alternatievely there's a bunch of 'ps1 classics' in the PS-store. The ones I've got seem to be pretty good recreations. But why anyone would prefer still playing WipeOut (which I once got for free) instead of WipeOut HD (or any of the portable WipeOuts on PSP/Vita, which are all good), is beyond me. It's not that great of a game compared to the rest of the series, not just because of the graphics. The vast majority of PS1 games work on PS3, but not all. Supposedly, the PS3 (and PSP) use some combination of hardware and Sony in-house software emulator to run PS1 games. Regardless, your point stands, because everyone says that PS1 games play much better (smoother framerates, etc.) on PS3 compared to the PS1 classic (which uses an open source emulator). Some ppl speculate Sony chose the open source emulator for the PS1 classic because it was necessary to attain acceptable performance from the cheaper specs (i.e. this allowed Sony to use drek cpu's from China, that are often used in cheap smartphones, and keep hardware costs down). In some cases, PS1 games actually run better on the PS3 than the original PS1 hardware. For example, "X-Com: UFO Defense" had really bad slow-down (or crashed completely) on larger levels, when played on the PS1. I'm guessing, since the game was port from PC, the PS1 didn't have enough memory. That or the devs didn't play-test the game on later/larger levels in order to debug/optimize the game for PS1. Regardless, this game ran much better when played on PS3. |
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Post by ForRealTho on Jan 18, 2019 10:34:18 GMT -5
The vast majority of PS1 games work on PS3, but not all. Supposedly, the PS3 (and PSP) use some combination of hardware and Sony in-house software emulator to run PS1 games. Regardless, your point stands, because everyone says that PS1 games play much better (smoother framerates, etc.) on PS3 compared to the PS1 classic (which uses an open source emulator). Some ppl speculate Sony chose the open source emulator for the PS1 classic because it was necessary to attain acceptable performance from the cheaper specs (i.e. this allowed Sony to use drek cpu's from China, that are often used in cheap smartphones, and keep hardware costs down). In some cases, PS1 games actually run better on the PS3 than the original PS1 hardware. For example, "X-Com: UFO Defense" had really bad slow-down (or crashed completely) on larger levels, when played on the PS1. I'm guessing, since the game was port from PC, the PS1 didn't have enough memory. That or the devs didn't play-test the game on later/larger levels in order to debug/optimize the game for PS1. Regardless, this game ran much better when played on PS3. I had no idea X-Com was ported to PS1, the idea of playing that game on a PS1 controller is giving me chills . |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2019 12:37:45 GMT -5
In some cases, PS1 games actually run better on the PS3 than the original PS1 hardware. For example, "X-Com: UFO Defense" had really bad slow-down (or crashed completely) on larger levels, when played on the PS1. I'm guessing, since the game was port from PC, the PS1 didn't have enough memory. That or the devs didn't play-test the game on later/larger levels in order to debug/optimize the game for PS1. Regardless, this game ran much better when played on PS3. I had no idea X-Com was ported to PS1, the idea of playing that game on a PS1 controller is giving me chills . It's as bad as you'd imagine. The game wasn't even consolized/optimized for PS1 in the controls dept either. You had to use the d-pad to highlight & select all the same menu icons that are in the PC version. They added cut-scenes w/ sound effects and music (on disc start-up, before starting a game). So it at least had something over the PC version, even though it didn't count for anything during actual gameplay. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2019 2:45:39 GMT -5
"Active Matrix TFT" hmmm... Don't usually see Active matrix TFT on such a large monitor these days. And it's 4k/uhd, meaning you'd need a powerful PC to push some games at that resolution. That's why many ppl prefer the QHD (2560 x 1440 or 1440P) monitors for gaming. And faster panels (144Hz+) are available on QHD monitors, which can really help reduce stutter and/or screen tearing. When I was looking at tv specs, I noticed some of the Sony models are capable of outputting 1440P res, so they're pretty good gaming PC monitors and Xbox One X gaming tv's (they say the Xbox One X allows you to play games in 1440P too). www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sony/x720e#comparison_1799www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sony/x900f#comparison_1799My Sony X800D takes all kinds of resolutions, after I set the nVidia Control Panel to make them, and they show up in games as being available. It's a 4K set, so there's 3840 x 2160, and I have 2560 x 1440. The ones I added are 3200 x 1800, and 3520 x 1980. There good for games where 4k too often renders game play not smooth enough, but 2560 x 1440 leaves too much gpu power just sitting idly. And my 800D has a very good scaler, unsurprisingly as it's a quality Sony panel, and so that minimizes the pain of feeling compelled to drop the resolution in a game..
For those people bothered by the limited viewing angle of VA type panels, they could mitigate the issue to some extent with an aftermarket tv stand (that allows swivel and height adjustments). For one or two ppl, who change their seating positions from time to time, it could be useful. Of course, not so much if you have a bunch of ppl over watching tv from all angles, or if you sit close (using the tv in place of a PC monitor). In either of those two cases, you might be better off just going for a tv with an IPS panel. For 32-55" www.fitueyes.com/collections/universal-tv-stand/products/universal-tv-stand-tt104801gbFor 50-80" www.fitueyes.com/collections/universal-tv-stand/products/universal-tv-stand-tt107003gb |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2019 10:45:39 GMT -5
Sega Genesis Mini (to be released in September). A Sega mini console that's actually being made by Sega!The games selection looks good. They've included a number of quality 3rd party games that weren't available in Sega Genesis classic collections (previously released on PC, Playstation 3 & 4), such as Castlevania Bloodlines, Earthworm Jim, Alisia Dragoon, Road Rash 2, etc. genesismini.sega.com/ |
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