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Post by itsnoot on Aug 31, 2017 10:56:18 GMT -5
I downloaded the Beta (*cough*demo) last night and have been doing some light testing. I'm here to tell anyone listening that the hardware requirements for this game are severely overblown. Either they have this thing more optimized then they think or they are protecting Sony from a potential exodus of players to PC.
My main machine I knew would run it great. I cranked it up to max graphics at 1080p but dropped Anti aliasing to FXAA. I read MXAA is borked at the moment so I didn't even bother. I don't have frame rates but it was smooth sailing and looking gorgeous. My main box specs:
CPU: i7 4770K
GPU: GTX 970
RAM: 16GB DDR3
It was my second machine that I was more interested in. I didn't think it stood a chance of running the game but I wanted to see what it could do. Specs:
CPU: Core2Quad Q9550 @ 3.4Ghz
GPU: GTX 560Ti
RAM: 8GB DDR2
On installing the game set itself to "low" on most settings, medium on a few others. I decided to let it rip and see what happened in single player. To my shock, it ran. It was completely playable. There were times when it was difficult to see the action through certain effects but I never felt the game slow down. Ex: Zavala's throws up his dome shield to block a volley of explosions. On my main machine this was smoother and easier to follow the action. The 2nd box never stuttered on sound or input but the visual effects on screen got a little chopped up. After that game sequence I found a quiet spot and opened up the graphics settings. I set vsync to 30fps to see what happened and it seems to have made a difference. Haven't tested this heavily but I noticed the video seemed more smooth overall.
The CPU definitely seemed to be at its limits though, there were periods of pegging 90%+ utilization and this wasn't even in 8 player PvP. The most players I had on screen was 3 (including myself). I'm guessing that makes strikes safe but will further test tonight. PvP may be what chokes the CPU but I'm going to give it a go tonight too cause YOLO.
On the whole I am seriously floored. I built this machine 10 years ago and I didn't think it stood a chance of running this game, let alone running it playable. I'm really curious what I would get away with if I got a better GPU in place. If I have time I'll plop my 970 in the 2nd box but the beta closes tonight. *shrug*
TLDR: If you want to play this on PC but can't upgrade atm you are probably just fine.
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Post by itsnoot on Aug 31, 2017 19:04:49 GMT -5
Well looks like I'm not testing anything tonight cause they shut it down already. Weak.
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Post by BT on Aug 31, 2017 19:07:46 GMT -5
The first pal of mine to buy a PS4 got his with Destiny, it was a great game... for about an hour or so before boredom set in.
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Post by itsnoot on Aug 31, 2017 19:12:01 GMT -5
I never played the first at launch, I only started this year. From what I understand it never even started to get good until the first expansion. I played it after two expansions had been released and I still plowed through most the content in 3-4 weeks. I'll probably get Destiny 2 and hope it last longer then a month. We'll see.
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Post by Coolverine on Sept 1, 2017 12:18:05 GMT -5
The first pal of mine to buy a PS4 got his with Destiny, it was a great game... for about an hour or so before boredom set in. Sounds like the same reason I didn't buy Star Wars Battlefront after playing the beta. SW Battlefront 2 does look good, though not great. I'm glad this time they're adding a singleplayer campaign. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2017 17:29:32 GMT -5
Destiny's genre and game-play mechanics are more or less based on KoTOR, or so I've read. Yeah, read many reviews saying the original release (of Destiny) sucked, but a couple of its expansions were good.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2017 17:41:11 GMT -5
Wow, even the main weapon categories (kinetic/physical and energy) in Destiny 2 were ripped straight from KoTOR. And the 3rd category "Power" likely subs for "Sonic" weapons. Smart thinking, because the Sonic weapons were pretty useless in KoTOR, as I recall. lol www.destinythegame.com/game |
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Post by Coolverine on Sept 2, 2017 13:02:50 GMT -5
I've noticed elements from older games being used in newer ones too.
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Post by itsnoot on Sept 6, 2017 13:32:59 GMT -5
Purchased for PC. Bring on Oct 24. I am pretty pumped about this, especially after reading all the glowing reviews from Console Day 1. Depending on if the kid gets amped about it I'll probably drop a VGA in my second machine for him. The overclocked Q9550 may hold out for one more game but nerfing the graphics to GTX560Ti levels seems cruel and unusual  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2017 20:32:11 GMT -5
Purchased for PC. Bring on Oct 24. I am pretty pumped about this, especially after reading all the glowing reviews from Console Day 1. Depending on if the kid gets amped about it I'll probably drop a VGA in my second machine for him. The overclocked Q9550 may hold out for one more game but nerfing the graphics to GTX560Ti levels seems cruel and unusual If you want to embrace your inner miser while still seeing a significant jump in performance, the 1050 Ti is a good choice. Here's a deal on one which includes 2 games (both scored 80+ on Metacritic). www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814126170However, looking the benchmarks, 1060 is probably the best value in terms of price/performance ratio. gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-1060-6GB-vs-Nvidia-GTX-1050-Ti/3639vs3649If you go with the 1060, I'd avoid the ones with only 3GB graphics memory. The models with 6GB don't cost much more and are better for future-proofing. |
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Post by Coolverine on Sept 6, 2017 22:11:14 GMT -5
Back in 2012 I put together a PC with a Core i5, 8 gigs of RAM and a GTX 670. Just this year I added 4 more gigs of RAM and upgraded to a GTX 1070. The CPU still seems to be holding up great, I've been able to max out every game even newer ones.
I think all in all I've spent $1500-$1600 on this machine since I've had it. Initially cost $1100 to put together but that included a $100 case and a $200 SSD.
In my experience, I've upgraded less often when spending more on high performance components. The machine before this one, I went for a budget build and ended up having to upgrade sooner and more often which ended up costing more in the long run.
With that being said I would definitely get the GTX 1060 over the 1050 Ti. And definitely what SJ said about getting 6 gigs over 3 gigs. 3 gigs won't cut it soon if not already. My last videocard had 4 gigs of RAM and it was holding up just fine for being 5 years old but I wanted something newer and faster.
If you can afford it, watch for the GTX 1070 to go on sale again. For the price it's a monster of a videocard, actually faster than the GTX Titan X. I got mine for just under $400 but the prices have since gone up quite a bit.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2017 22:59:04 GMT -5
True, pricing went up for the 1070 and down for the 1080. Currently, you could probably make the case that the 1080 is the better deal (it's about $100 more, comparing prices on Newegg).
Evidently, demand for the 1070 has been pretty high. I'm sure that Nvidia have their best analysts constantly monitoring sales data and they set pricing to extract maximum $'s from consumers.
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Post by itsnoot on Sept 7, 2017 11:03:12 GMT -5
It's a second PC, there is no way I'm putting a 1070 in there. I might consider putting one in my main and moving my 970 down but if I'm getting into a world of keeping 2 machines updated I'm probably moving down into the GTX x60 range of cards from here on out.
I've been researching some. I've been trying to figure out how much card is worth buying considering its paired to a choke at the CPU. Most opinions I've seen are hovering around 1050Ti, no more than a 1060 on an overclocked Q9550. Side note: It seems the extra L2 cache on the Yorkfield quad cores is what is keeping them alive over their earlier Kentsfield siblings. All the people with Q6600 are reporting they are choking hard but the Q9550 and Q9650 folks still seem to be sailing at the moment. My gut says this is the last gittyup for this rig though.
I really enjoy the Asus Strix products for the silence and am willing to pay for it, I hate the fan wail of VGA cards under load. Also, in this specific case the Strix product includes a 6pin power input. I've read reports of trouble supplying enough power through PCI-E on older Socket 775 boards. The pricing takes a hit hard in this case and brings it up to near 1060 3GB pricing so I'm watching for sales on the Strix 1050Ti. I've seen some old references to $140 pricing a few months ago but those were the basic 1050Ti, not a premium card. As for VRAM, at 1080p maxed out Destiny 2 was only using around 2GB of VRAM in the beta. Neither of these machines will be playing 4K anytime soon which makes the 1060 3GB very attractive option given the current price of the Strix 1050Ti. It would be a major kick in the horsepower for not much more, but potentially add in some fan noise. At least the 1060s all include the 6pin plug. It'll be Christmas before I jump on anything so I have time to be patient.
I'd love to consider ATI. I'm not a fanboy of anything other than reliability, I'm still salty about early unplayable Radeon drivers and nvidia has never given me a problem in all these years. That, and I'm reading ATI drivers have more CPU overhead, something I cant afford in this particular rig.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2017 14:31:51 GMT -5
I concur. I arrived to the same conclusion when selecting a new laptop. Already own a desktop rig w/ a great gpu, so went with the laptop that has a 1050 4GB gpu (and best battery life & portability found in a 15" laptop) - the Dell XPS 15. It arrived today and, yeah, it's good. Really good. Judging by initial quality (screen brightness & clarity, runs cool & silent, nice materials - carbon fiber for the palm rest, awesome trackpad), it's easily the best laptop I've owned to date.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2017 12:00:06 GMT -5
Purchased for PC. Bring on Oct 24. I am pretty pumped about this, especially after reading all the glowing reviews from Console Day 1. Depending on if the kid gets amped about it I'll probably drop a VGA in my second machine for him. The overclocked Q9550 may hold out for one more game but nerfing the graphics to GTX560Ti levels seems cruel and unusual fyi, you can get a deal on Destiny 2 through Best Buy. If you join Best Buy "gamer's club", you get 20% off (physical copies of games, discount doesn't apply to digital downloads). It's $30 for a 2-year membership. Basically, you save $12 for every $60 game you buy, so it would only be worth it if you purchase three or more games from them during the 2-year membership period. www.bestbuy.com/site/searchpage.jsp?st=gamer%27s+club+unlocked&_dyncharset=UTF-8&id=pcat17071&type=page&sc=Global&cp=1&nrp=&sp=&qp=category_facet%3DSAAS~Gaming+Gift+Cards~pcmcat140000050010&list=n&af=true&iht=y&usc=All+Categories&ks=960&keys=keysAlso, they're offering $10 in rewards (with Best Buy rewards membership, which is a free membership you can sign up for in the store). How this works is they email you the $10 rewards coupon about 3-4 weeks after your purchase and you can use the $10 towards your next purchase at Best Buy. This is a discount you can get for free, without joining their gamer's club. www.bestbuy.com/site/clp/my-best-buy-get-10/pcmcat308100050002.c?id=pcmcat308100050002With the above discounts, you get the base game of Destiny 2 (normally $60) for only $38 + plus taxes. It seems like jumping through hoops, but it only takes them a few minutes to set up membership in the store. imo, their gamer's club membership is well worth it if you're into buying physical copies of games. If you buy digital download games only, then forget it. |
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Post by Coolverine on Sept 8, 2017 12:05:11 GMT -5
I saw a deal where you get Destiny 2 for free if you buy a GTX 1080, if I hadn't already bought the 1070 I'd probably be considering that deal right now. Still, I got the 1070 for a great price and it came with a free game (For Honor). I paid less for it than I did for the 670 I had before, that was closer to $500 back in 2012.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2017 12:24:24 GMT -5
I saw a deal where you get Destiny 2 for free if you buy a GTX 1080, if I hadn't already bought the 1070 I'd probably be considering that deal right now. Still, I got the 1070 for a great price and it came with a free game (For Honor). I paid less for it than I did for the 670 I had before, that was closer to $500 back in 2012. I saw that promo being offered at Newegg.com a while ago. Unfortunately, that's yesterday's news. www.geforce.com/destiny2-bundleHowever, AMD ( formerly ATI) has some free game deals going on right now with the purchase of new Radeon Vega series gpu. www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&IsNodeId=1&N=100007709%20601301599 |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2017 12:34:49 GMT -5
The PS4 Pro + Destiny 2 console bundle is another way to technically get a deal on Destiny 2, since you're getting the $99 deluxe version of the game with the bundle.
Sold separately it's $399 for the PS4 and $99 for Destiny 2 Deluxe. So about $500 if bought separately. The bundle is going for $450, a savings of $50. Yeah, it's good deal for someone already interested in getting the PS4 Pro.
Of course, they (many retailers) typically have a great console bundle deals during black Friday and Cyber Monday (or Cyber Week). So there's a strong possibility of seeing much better deals by waiting a couple more months.
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Post by Coolverine on Sept 8, 2017 12:50:55 GMT -5
Yeah I kept getting popups for it, didn't realize it's over already though. PS4 Pro is a nice system, I thought about getting one but got the videocard instead. Still might get the PS4 Pro, that new Xbox looks great too but it's gonna be expensive.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2017 13:02:15 GMT -5
They're both good systems, but without games to justify purchasing one, specs are just specs. If you own a decent PC, the consoles would only be worth it for exclusive titles or titles you want to play right away (instead of having to wait 2-3 months longer for them to be available for PC, like Destiny 2).
What are the exclusive titles for Xbox? Halo and Forza, I think.
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Post by Coolverine on Sept 8, 2017 13:27:13 GMT -5
I agree that PS4 has more in the way of exclusives, I think Microsoft is trying to bring Xbox and PC gaming more together though.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2017 16:50:02 GMT -5
I agree that PS4 has more in the way of exclusives, I think Microsoft is trying to bring Xbox and PC gaming more together though. It does seem like MS would like to convert everyone to filthy casual and get us all gaming the Xbox. lol I read some business articles that say MS is trying to emulate Apple's success, and reap more profit from hardware sales. That's why they introduced products like the Surface tablet. In regards to Xbox, they also get a cut for 3rd party software sales... just like every other console (since NES 8-bit at least, if not earlier consoles). |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2017 20:51:49 GMT -5
btw, I'm just using the label "filthy casual" as a joke and not trying to insult anyone. I've owned all the Playstation systems (except PS4 Pro and portables like PSP & Vita). Before that, I owned a few older Nintendo & Sega systems.
One major plus in favor of Xbox One X (project Scorpio) is more longevity, since the hardware is supposedly much better than PS4 Pro hardware. If you're looking for a console that you don't have to upgrade or replace as soon as others, Xbox X is probably the best choice for that. Having said that, my personal opinion is that PC is still the best gaming platform.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2017 21:19:38 GMT -5
The first pal of mine to buy a PS4 got his with Destiny, it was a great game... for about an hour or so before boredom set in. The reviews are more positive for Destiny 2, compared to the first game. www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-4/destiny-2?ref=hpOne of the negative user reviews caught my attention though. Sounds like Bungie committed 2 major sins of game design with Destiny 2. 30fps lock and pay to win (micro transactions). Hopefully, the PC version removes the 30fps limit (a genuine concern, because I've read about some games ported to PC leave the 30fps in place). I suppose they put in the 30fps lock to level the playing field and make it fair for owners of the standard PS4 (non-Pro), since this is a online multiplayer game. Yeah, I've read about other games (the newest Final Fantasy, for example) that are graphically intensive and are more susceptible to lag/slow-down on the standard PS4. |
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Post by itsnoot on Sept 10, 2017 9:46:44 GMT -5
PC frame rate is unlocked by default. There is an option to lock it at 30 or 60, I'm assuming for older hardware.
P2W is a concern but from what I'm reading the potential advantage is minimal, especially at max level. Most people are dismissing the P2W issue and are focusing their outrage over the cosmetic system being changed. That gives me a clue how serious the advantage actually is, cause if youre sweating cosmetics the world isnt so terrible.
PS4 Pro is about to be seriously outclassed by Xbox One X. Too bad it wont matter in a world of developing for the lowest common denominator. PC games have been getting held back for a while now thanks to consoles, Witcher 3 is a perfect example of that. It looks almost the same as Witcher 2 for goodness sake. Talk about a nerf. Nope, Xbox One X is doomed to be an underutilized piece of hardware thanks to the massive install base of PS4. The most I'm hoping for it is native 4K in certain titles. Destiny 2 should be one of those but Activision and Sony seem to have a cozy enough relationship to prevent that.
Don't get me wrong, I prefer Xbox and I hope I'm mistaken. 10 years ago I thought MS was wading into waters they didn't belong but now I root for MS big time. I love the integration they have done with the PC. I love being able to stream to Win10 when the Living Room TV is in use. I love the controller, it fits in my hand better and plugs seamlessly into PC. I even loved the Kinect as a superior motion detection system until MS mothballed it. Even being a fan I still have to admit I don't play Xbox much because there aren't many games on it that I cant just get on PC (where I prefer to play). Destiny 1 was one of those and that's soon to be past. MS is going to have to start shelling out for exclusives like Sony does cause Halo just aint that cool anymore.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2017 16:49:37 GMT -5
In theory, all original Xbox One games should be able to run on the Xbox One X. So it's debatable who owns the lowest common denominator in this equation.
Xbox One X > PS4 Pro > Xbox One S > PS4 (original edition) > Xbox One (original edition)
Of course, you're right about PS4 having the larger install base... that probably has the biggest impact on (developers/publishers) and how current gen hardware is utilized (or under-utilized). Personally, I wouldn't say you're wrong. Just saying, there are probably Sony fans out there who wouldn't see it that way.
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Post by itsnoot on Sept 11, 2017 20:11:21 GMT -5
Yes, they have announced 100% backwards compatibility across all Xbox One platforms. Xbox One X is not unlike a PC upgrade.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2017 10:50:04 GMT -5
Yes, they have announced 100% backwards compatibility across all Xbox One platforms. Xbox One X is not unlike a PC upgrade. Yes, but only to an extent. With PC, you're still master race. lol... You typically have much more freedom to individually adjust your image quality settings. Regarding consoles, you're forced to rely on the developer to update the game with higher IQ for the latest iteration of your console (and there's no guarantee that they'll do that). www.gamesradar.com/ps4-pro-confirmed-games-list/ |
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Post by Coolverine on Sept 14, 2017 18:10:27 GMT -5
I remember when the console lamers used to claim that they couldn't tell a difference between 720p and 1080p, or between 24fps and 60fps.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2017 20:09:12 GMT -5
I remember when the console lamers used to claim that they couldn't tell a difference between 720p and 1080p, or between 24fps and 60fps. "they couldn't tell a difference between 720p and 1080p" I remember a Best Buy employee telling me that before and thinking to myself how untrue it was. Well, they could be right in extreme instances... such as, if you're gaming on a very small 20" TV and distance between your eyes and the screen was like 10ft (or greater). lol I always thought the difference between 720p and 1080p was significant and easily noticeable, and a huge upgrade in image quality. "or between 24fps and 60fps" Yeah, that's bologna (if you're normal)... It's possible the people who've made this claim have something wrong with the visual processing center in their brains. Peoples' brain activity cycles at different speeds, from one person to another, for biological reasons (genetics, disease/brain injury, age, etc.). Perhaps it's akin to color blindness (from their point of view, there really is no difference between reds and greens)... but in this case, some peoples' visual systems are incapable of working fast enough to detect a difference between 24fps and 60fps. This topic reminds of the movie "Dredd" and scenes w/ the "Slow mo" drug. lol |
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