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Post by Coolverine on Apr 8, 2017 11:44:17 GMT -5
OK so WTF? They released this remastered version of this 6 year old game on Steam for $50, didn't give people who already own the original a free upgrade, or even a discounted upgrade option. Plus they removed the store page and community hub for the original game like it never existed. I tried looking into why they might've screwed people over like this, but can't find much info about it. The game mysteriously disappeared from Steam back in 2014 then came back 3 months later, there was never any explanation. KOTOR2, Skyrim (if you owned all DLC) and Bioshock 1&2 were upgraded or remastered and people who owned the originals got a free upgrade, too bad Gearbox is too lazy to do the same thing for their customers. Even DX Human Revolution got a $5 Director's Cut upgrade if you owned the game + Missing Link DLC. Directors Cut has better graphics and much improved boss fights. *edit* This might have something to do with it: www.pcgamer.com/gearbox-demands-major-changes-from-g2a-threatens-to-scuttle-partnership-if-theyre-not-met/ |
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Post by Cop on Apr 8, 2017 13:17:51 GMT -5
Bulletstorm was one of the last FPS I really loved. Completed the story mode twice with the disc version (with a non-functioning copy protection), then racked up another 30 hours on the steam version, which I believe was gifted to me by 1badjedi. Steam version did allow me to get online so I could participate in the high score leaderboards...
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Post by Coolverine on Apr 8, 2017 13:57:27 GMT -5
Yeah I very much enjoyed Bulletstorm, I heard that Duke Nukem makes a cameo in the remastered version.* Even now on Steam, you have to bypass GFWL to play it, which unfortunately also disables multiplayer. The GFWL login doesn't seem to work anymore.
The upside is, if this game does well there's a possibility of a sequel finally. Still, I can't justify paying $50 for a game that I already kind of own.
*edit* Turns out you have to spend $5 more for a DLC to Duke as the player-character instead of Grayson.
I tried playing the original one, first of all I had to find a way to bypass the GFWL login (which is dead now), and then the game has these really bad graphical glitches. I tried some supposed fixes but nothing worked.
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Post by Cop on Apr 10, 2017 10:53:45 GMT -5
bypass the GFWL login (which is dead now) Isn't that swell? Let's hope Steam and Sony don't go tits up anytime soon. Can you imagine most of your game library being dead all of a sudden because the authentication platform disappears? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2017 11:56:21 GMT -5
bypass the GFWL login (which is dead now) Isn't that swell? Let's hope Steam and Sony don't go tits up anytime soon. Can you imagine most of your game library being dead all of a sudden because the authentication platform disappears? So true. When we "buy" digital games, we're really just renting them for an extended period of time. Steam is pretty great though and it's currently going strong. But who knows 5-10 years from now. Competition is always changing. TV's will eventually include game streaming services, much like they do now with movies and shows. It could easily catch on too, since it'll likely be a feature included with most TV sets, provided the quality is there. Something like that could kill Steam. Of course, both Steam and Sony already see the writing on the wall (i.e. Steam has Steam OS and Sony has Playstation Now). Well, if that happens, hopefully they'd be decent enough to allow us to transfer our product keys to another site, such as gog.com. |
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Post by Cop on Apr 10, 2017 12:19:16 GMT -5
Well, if that happens, hopefully they'd be decent enough to allow us to transfer our product keys to another site, such as gog.com. Lol, they don't even care about backwards compatibility when they're going strong, what makes you think they'd do anything decent when they're about to go under? |
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Post by BT on Apr 10, 2017 13:45:02 GMT -5
Can you imagine most of your game library being dead all of a sudden because the authentication platform disappears? No, because I only buy physical media. TV's will eventually include game streaming services, much like they do now with movies and shows. I haven't had paid TV for a long time but I remember back circa 2001/2002 SKY TV boxes had built in games you could play... East End Arrows (Darts) was even multiplayer! |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2017 13:54:45 GMT -5
Well, if that happens, hopefully they'd be decent enough to allow us to transfer our product keys to another site, such as gog.com. Lol, they don't even care about backwards compatibility when they're going strong, what makes you think they'd do anything decent when they're about to go under? Because gog.com supposedly does this on a limited basis, giving its users the option transfer some Steam games to their gog accounts. Granted, when I tried it a while ago, it didn't work and I haven't attempted it since. It could be I didn't have something set right in my Steam privacy settings. Here's the link. www.gog.com/connect |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2017 17:49:37 GMT -5
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Post by Coolverine on Apr 10, 2017 18:25:15 GMT -5
The moment those came out, every son of a bitch out there bought out every single one and flipped them. Nintendo acknowledged they didn't make enough of them and said they would make more, but they still haven't. |
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Post by BT on Apr 10, 2017 20:20:20 GMT -5
$169.99
TOPLOL!
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Post by Coolverine on Apr 10, 2017 21:14:01 GMT -5
Yeah they're supposed to retail for $60.
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Post by maniac on Apr 10, 2017 23:37:42 GMT -5
Steam would need a bailout because it's too big to fail at this point. I can't see anything happening to steam in the next 10 years but who the fuck am I? lol
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Post by Cop on Apr 10, 2017 23:51:20 GMT -5
Can you imagine most of your game library being dead all of a sudden because the authentication platform disappears? No, because I only buy physical media. I'm pretty sure some of those games run off servers or at least need to establish a connection first before being able to install/play. Take Bulletstorm for example, since this is the Bulletstorm thread: I have it on disc and it never even managed to authenticate the installation. Even having bought the original disc, I still needed to look for a NOCD-crack to be able to play my legit copy (and only the single player worked that way, I had no access to leaderboards or multiplayer)... I don't think it's too farfetched to believe at least some games won't run (properly) if the company that runs the servers the console needs to connect to goes tits up. Don't both the Xbone and the Pisspoor (watched too much Zero Punctuation) require an (always on) internet connection at this point? |
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Post by Cop on Apr 10, 2017 23:52:50 GMT -5
You know, I think I'd rather play my Dreamcast... |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2017 9:24:01 GMT -5
No, because I only buy physical media. I'm pretty sure some of those games run off servers or at least need to establish a connection first before being able to install/play. Take Bulletstorm for example, since this is the Bulletstorm thread: I have it on disc and it never even managed to authenticate the installation. Even having bought the original disc, I still needed to look for a NOCD-crack to be able to play my legit copy (and only the single player worked that way, I had no access to leaderboards or multiplayer)... I don't think it's too farfetched to believe at least some games won't run (properly) if the company that runs the servers the console needs to connect to goes tits up. Don't both the Xbone and the Pisspoor (watched too much Zero Punctuation) require an (always on) internet connection at this point? Not only that, many (if not most) games are released in an incomplete state these days and the usual way to the get the rest of your game/s (DLC, patches, etc.) is by going online. |
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Post by BT on Apr 11, 2017 13:57:11 GMT -5
Don't both the Xbone and the Pisspoor (watched too much Zero Punctuation) require an (always on) internet connection at this point? Of all the games I've bunged into my PS (probably about 20) only one has required 'always connected' status (Steep). |
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Post by Coolverine on Apr 11, 2017 18:58:29 GMT -5
Oh yeah, it turns out the reason owners of the original Bulletstorm didn't get anything from Gearbox, according to them it's "not possible." The game was originally published by EA, then Gearbox bought the IP. I still don't see why they couldn't just give people a discount for the remaster. I'm sure they didn't do anything because they want to maximize profits, but I'm still not gonna buy it. Even when it's 50 cents 100 years from now, I'm still not gonna buy it. www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/5gqd3u/a_bulletstorm_full_clip_edition_upgrade_offer_is/ |
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Post by ForRealTho on Apr 11, 2017 20:47:27 GMT -5
I tried bulletstorm after the hype and the hilarious "Duty Calls" teaser thing..............didn't really get into it. I dunno why. It was different and kinda fun which I appreciated but only made it ~3 hours into it and never picked it back up
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Post by Coolverine on Apr 11, 2017 20:53:43 GMT -5
It was a good game, I thought the combat was fun and I found the story to be good, even had comic relief. Also I remember achievements for killing enemies in creative ways.
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Post by Cop on Apr 11, 2017 23:45:15 GMT -5
Also I remember achievements for killing enemies in creative ways. Indeed, and the reason why I dug the multiplayer. You don't have to play with people, just upload your scores to the leaderboards. On some levels I was really high up. Very satisfying pulling off a great combo and scoring several unique kills (higher points for every unique kill, so you need to change it up to get the best score, using all weapons and as much of the enviroment as possible). There's something really relaxing about booting someone into a giant cactus or lasso-ing a guy towards you, shooting an explosive belt around his neck and then kicking him back towards his friends where you detonate him... ...and then seeing his friends fly into aforementioned giant cacti... |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2017 16:51:55 GMT -5
Oh yeah, it turns out the reason owners of the original Bulletstorm didn't get anything from Gearbox, according to them it's "not possible." The game was originally published by EA, then Gearbox bought the IP. I still don't see why they couldn't just give people a discount for the remaster. I'm sure they didn't do anything because they want to maximize profits, but I'm still not gonna buy it. Even when it's 50 cents 100 years from now, I'm still not gonna buy it. www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/5gqd3u/a_bulletstorm_full_clip_edition_upgrade_offer_is/I doubt that customer info goes with that (rights to the IP). So I'm leaning towards them being honest in this instance, i.e. it's impossible for them to verify who were legit owners of the original game. Not to defend to corporations and I usually don't... I agree they are primarily profit seeking. However, we live in a sue happy society. Publicly admitting that customer data were transferred to them (even assuming that's true), could open the way for multiple lawsuits. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2017 20:54:28 GMT -5
Oh yeah, it turns out the reason owners of the original Bulletstorm didn't get anything from Gearbox, according to them it's "not possible." The game was originally published by EA, then Gearbox bought the IP. I still don't see why they couldn't just give people a discount for the remaster. I'm sure they didn't do anything because they want to maximize profits, but I'm still not gonna buy it. Even when it's 50 cents 100 years from now, I'm still not gonna buy it. www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/5gqd3u/a_bulletstorm_full_clip_edition_upgrade_offer_is/Well, the main reason I'm defending it... I watched the trailer for the new Bulletstorm. For a fps, it looks like a fun game. I like how they did the animations, over the top humor & glorified violence. I won't buy it anytime soon though, because I'm not into straight-up fps that aren't hybrid fps/rpg and lack a solid story. Maybe when it goes on sale for less than $10. |
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Post by Coolverine on Apr 12, 2017 20:57:45 GMT -5
I dunno, I watched a comparison video and the remastered one actually kinda looked worse... but that is just IMO:
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2017 21:04:31 GMT -5
Steam would need a bailout because it's too big to fail at this point. I can't see anything happening to steam in the next 10 years but who the fuck am I? lol From what I've read, PC gaming is a rapidly growing industry and has been stealing market share from consoles for the last few years (probably, thanks to Steam). Little doubt, that's why the console makers have released upgraded consoles (PS4 Pro and XboxOne S), in an effort to cut losses in market share. I'm hoping VR hardware comes down in price and catches on. VR games could be amazing if more resources were put into it and devs started releasing better games for it. |
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Post by maniac on Apr 12, 2017 21:11:49 GMT -5
From what I've read, PC gaming is a rapidly growing industry and has been stealing market share from consoles for the last few years (probably, thanks to Steam). Little doubt, that's why the console makers have released upgraded consoles (PS4 Pro and XboxOne S), in an effort to cut losses in market share. I'm hoping VR hardware comes down in price and catches on. VR games could be amazing if more resources were put into it and devs started releasing better games for it. Yeah, technology changes too quickly for consoles imo. At least with PC's you can easily swap out hardware. VR and mobile gaming are going to become bigger than they already are. That's one thing I believe Nintendo has caught onto with the switch, less about being a console and more about being able to play wherever you want while also making it easy to play on a big screen. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2017 21:11:58 GMT -5
I dunno, I watched a comparison video and the remastered one actually kinda looked worse... but that is just IMO: Maybe, but seems unlikely. I don't know if I'd trust a video on youtube. It could be honest or could be biased/dishonest... possibly from a fan of the original, bitter that they didn't get a deal on the new version. If the version they're comparing is on PC, they could have the quality settings turned way down. If it's the PS4 version, it could be video capture from a regular PS4 (not PS4 Pro), which also means worse graphics. |
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Post by maniac on Apr 12, 2017 21:13:57 GMT -5
I trust YouTube videos more than gaming sites which have already proven to be a hotbed of bias and in bed with gaming companies.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2017 21:18:56 GMT -5
A good example for PS4 is "RISE OF THE TOMB RAIDER".
The devs of this game made a vid showing the night & day difference in graphics quality when the game is played on a standard PS4 vs. PS4 Pro.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2017 21:32:00 GMT -5
Out of curiosity, I checked for reviews of Bulletstorm on Metacritic. Evidently, they don't have reviews of the new one yet.
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