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Post by Emig5m on Jan 9, 2017 4:06:41 GMT -5
Just found out about this today as I had an interest in a particular PS3/4 exclusive game (Beyond Two Souls). I was contemplating buying a PS4 for the remaster of this game and a couple other exclusives but mainly Two Souls and then I stumbled upon this Playstation Now App for the PC. This was my first time ever playing cloud based gaming - this is cool because it would let me play some Playstation exclusives on the PC. You can tell it's video streaming with the some compression artifacting (I'm on a 8Mbit DSL line) and of course there's some lag like playing a game online and I wouldn't ever dare use a service like this for my primary gaming - it's bad enough dropping down from 4k gaming to 1080 or 720 let alone added input lag and visual degradation but it's OK for the intended purpose I'm going to use it for. I only played a couple games for a few minutes (Two Souls and R-Type Dimensions) just to take it for a test spin but if I wind up liking the exclusive titles I might fork up for a PS4. But that's a big might because once you've been hooked to 4k gaming, even 1080 on the PC kinda sucks - sitting 3ft from a 43" 4k screen is a breathtaking gaming experience and it's hard to even drop back to 1080p on the PC. But anyway, a game like Two Souls should be OK with the slight lag, the graphics kinda kill me. I'm thinking it's the PS3 version and not the PS4 remastered version. R-Type Dimensions is already a crappy port on the PS3 and the additional lag makes it extremely difficult to play. I'm a expert player and own the original arcade cabinet and normally score over a million points and I could barely crack 300,000 playing on the PS Now app. Albeit, there's even some input lag on the much better Xbox360 version where I can't get close to the score I get on the actual arcade machine due to input lag.
I didn't have time to give it a thorough test drive with a good selection of games but I think it's pretty cool to be able to at least demo the games on the PC before making the plunge to buy the actual Playstation hardware. I wish that there was an equivalent PS3 emulator to the Dolphin Emulator which is the highest quality emulator I've ever used because Wii games in 4k with the PC visual enhancements are absolutely breathtaking and looks night and day better than the Wii's native resolution! (just check Youtube for Wii games running in 4k - of course, without a 4k screen you wont get the full effect).
But anyhow, check out the PS Now app if you haven't heard of it. It has a 7 day free trial. Neat concept for being able to play exclusive titles outside of the native hardware but I don't think I'll ever except cloud gaming for 99.9% of my gaming.
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Post by BT on Jan 9, 2017 8:03:15 GMT -5
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Post by Cop on Jan 9, 2017 10:10:22 GMT -5
sitting 3ft from a 43" 4k screen is a breathtaking gaming experience and it's hard to even drop back to 1080p on the PC. Don't buy such big screens and you won't need resolutions that high. I have a feeling they're creating solutions for problems that shouldn't be. |
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Post by Emig5m on Jan 9, 2017 14:39:41 GMT -5
Awesome, I don't know much about consoles but I'll have to check it out. I seen a PS4 Pro at Target today but didn't know what it meant. |
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Post by Emig5m on Jan 9, 2017 14:56:47 GMT -5
sitting 3ft from a 43" 4k screen is a breathtaking gaming experience and it's hard to even drop back to 1080p on the PC. Don't buy such big screens and you won't need resolutions that high. I have a feeling they're creating solutions for problems that shouldn't be. No it's legit. I bought the screen just to demo 4k out of curiosity with full intentions to bring it back for a full refund (Walmart has a 90 day return on TVs). I didn't even have a videocard that had playable framerates at the time at 4k (970 GTX) but it looked so stellar I couldn't bring it back and had to get a 1080 GTX it looked that good. Now even a 32" (my previous monitor) at 1080p looks blurry to me now. With regards to the screen size, filling more of your field of view with super crisp resolution to where you don't even need to use antialiasing and don't see pixels is a experience you have to experience first hand to understand. Hey, I was the guy still using 1024x768 when the rest of the world was using higher resolutions like 1600X1200 or 16:9 displays so I can understand your stubbornness because I was the same way. So I guess you could say who even needed 1024x768 if we just stuck to gameboy sized screens, eh?  |
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Post by Babel-17 on Jan 10, 2017 13:36:12 GMT -5
A good 4k set does a great job of scaling, and that includes videogames. A few months ago I bought a Sony XBR-43X800D. I too had a GTX 970, so I got to see how it scaled, as that card is for 1080p (though The Witcher can strain it) and 1440p in less demanding games. Unlike you, I went a bit more frugal route and bought a GTX 1070 FE. It can play some new titles at 4K though at sub 60 fps rates. It slices through some newish titles at 4K, and doesn't need all its speed for most older ones at 4K. It's very good at scaling, so 1440p looks very good. 4K can help in giving that sharp, "clean screen"*, look that we loved from RGSS. It's not the same thing, but the impact is somewhat similar in type, though not degree. My V5 5500 represented a huge upgrade for me, and was a revolutionary change in how games looked. I'm coming from gaming with a GTX 970, and a 32" Sony XBR6, and that was already very nice. Congrat's on your new card, and TV/Monitor. *SirPauly came up with that designation, IIRC.  |
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Post by Emig5m on Jan 10, 2017 17:03:49 GMT -5
So I kinda got screwed here using a Xbox360 controller. I got to the spot in Beyond Two Souls where you're at the CIA training facility and climbing across the monkey bars and to drop off the end of the monkey bars you have to shake the controller up and down to drop off and of course the 360 controller doesn't work for that....grrr. The game also froze when I lost my net connection for about a minute and multiple times I got the message that the PSN network wasn't available when my connection was running fine. I kinda want to play this game. I could just go buy a Ps3 controller and just beat the game by the time the 7 day trial is up. I can buy my old PS3 back if my friend I sold it to still has it for about $80 (need a new controller though) and play it on the PS3 but knowing I could get a PS4 Pro and play it with higher resolution would I be happy with a PS3 playing at 720P when I've been glued to 4k gaming since the 1080 GTX came out? But that would cost $400+tax for the console alone.....for one game that's really not that long or difficult? I've kinda been into games like Life is Strange for the atmosphere because I am so sick and tired of gung-ho military shooters and first person shooters in general that I can't even stomach to play them anymore (I literally have like 6 shooters on the PC I never played more than 10 minutes or even booted up at all). But man fuck console exclusive titles! Especially when there's no good emulator and the console hardware is no where near the level of a PC!
Deep down I know my best route for one game would just buy back my old PS3 (if he still has it) from my friend with a brand new controller for around $100 and get the game at a discount and just deal with 720p and that would be better than streaming it online with jpg-like compression artifacts. Hard to justify $400 for the PS4 Pro when its still nowhere near the level of my PC. Not sure if I want to dick around with other Playstation exclusives like The Last of Us, Hard Rain, or Bloodborne that might justify the price of a new PS4 a little more....
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Post by SJ on Jan 10, 2017 18:58:16 GMT -5
Awesome, I don't know much about consoles but I'll have to check it out. I seen a PS4 Pro at Target today but didn't know what it meant. Keep in mind, with a 4K capable console, not all games will be 4K. It's been that way for a while, with PS3 and the original/slim PS4 (not all games support the systems max resolution). What sucks is it seems currently most games aren't 4K, and (currently) there's no way of quickly finding a list of specific titles that support 4K through Sony/PSN. Also, I doubt PS Now (Sony's game streaming service) supports 4K (not even on a PS4 Pro or PC). Reason being, the game selection available on PS Now are PS3 games (most of those are 720P, with a few being 1080P). I did a quick search to see if "Beyond Two Souls" was in 4K. One comment here says it's 1080P on the PS4 version. www.gamefaqs.com/boards/691087-playstation-4/72896935 |
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Post by SJ on Jan 10, 2017 19:22:05 GMT -5
So I kinda got screwed here using a Xbox360 controller. I got to the spot in Beyond Two Souls where you're at the CIA training facility and climbing across the monkey bars and to drop off the end of the monkey bars you have to shake the controller up and down to drop off and of course the 360 controller doesn't work for that....grrr. The game also froze when I lost my net connection for about a minute and multiple times I got the message that the PSN network wasn't available when my connection was running fine. I kinda want to play this game. I could just go buy a Ps3 controller and just beat the game by the time the 7 day trial is up. I can buy my old PS3 back if my friend I sold it to still has it for about $80 (need a new controller though) and play it on the PS3 but knowing I could get a PS4 Pro and play it with higher resolution would I be happy with a PS3 playing at 720P when I've been glued to 4k gaming since the 1080 GTX came out? But that would cost $400+tax for the console alone.....for one game that's really not that long or difficult? I've kinda been into games like Life is Strange for the atmosphere because I am so sick and tired of gung-ho military shooters and first person shooters in general that I can't even stomach to play them anymore (I literally have like 6 shooters on the PC I never played more than 10 minutes or even booted up at all). But man fuck console exclusive titles! Especially when there's no good emulator and the console hardware is no where near the level of a PC! Deep down I know my best route for one game would just buy back my old PS3 (if he still has it) from my friend with a brand new controller for around $100 and get the game at a discount and just deal with 720p and that would be better than streaming it online with jpg-like compression artifacts. Hard to justify $400 for the PS4 Pro when its still nowhere near the level of my PC. Not sure if I want to dick around with other Playstation exclusives like The Last of Us, Hard Rain, or Bloodborne that might justify the price of a new PS4 a little more.... I concur, skip the Pro for now. You're better off with an inexpensive used PS4, as most PS4 games are 1080P anyway. I'd wait (to upgrade to Pro) until there's a decent selection of games in 4K and the PS4 Pro comes down in price (or offered with great game/s bundle), which will probably be next holiday season. Cyber Monday/week is typically the best time to buy. I bought my PS4 Slim (Cyber Monday deal from Amazon - PS4 Slim bundled with Uncharted 4 and an extra controller) for $220. If you bought it now, it'd set you back about $360. Best Buy had a great Cyber week deal on games (buy 2, get 1 free on top of sale prices for many games). Also, if/when you upgrade to 4K, they're saying go for a set with HDR (supposedly this offers a huge improvement in contrast & colors... PS4 Pro & Xbox One S both support HDR). |
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Post by Emig5m on Jan 11, 2017 0:18:59 GMT -5
Well I took a nice evening nap since I'm more apt to spend money when I'm well rested, hehe, so I wound up getting a PS4 Pro. Called my friend about my old PS3 and he wanted $150 for it and it needs a new controller so I passed since the last time he talked to me about it he said I could have it back for around $80 and decided if I'm going to get a console might as well get a brand new and the most up to date one and be done with it. I figured it didn't even make sense to get a regular PS4 now and then upgrade later. I've been saving my $10's, $5's, and $1's all summer so it's not like it was really money out of my pocket or bank account as I save up loose change for purchases like this...
I wasn't sure if I was going to hook it up to my surround sound system with a 60" 1080p plasma or my 43" 4k TV without a sound system (The TV has a built in headphone jack and I normally use headphones with my PC unless I switch over to the surround system but I think the TVs sound output is rather lack-luster and wish the PS4 had a headphone jack). I'm going to test it out on my 4k TV first and then try it on my theater system. My 4k TV is a budget TV so as although it has two 4k/60Hz inputs, it doesn't do HDR. Can't really complain for $378 since it does have the best image quality out of any TV I've owned and also the least input lag out of any flat screen I've owned so it's really great for the price. Eventually when HDR 4k screens come down in price I'll get a new one and put this one in the bedroom. I need to research if my Denon X4000 AVR even supports full 4k passthrough. I know out of the box it didn't support HDCP through 4k but it's had a bunch of firmware updates since I've got it. I really don't plan on replacing that AVR any time soon since it cost $1500 brand new.
Now I just need to wait for this 35GB game to download to use the PS4, lol. Don't know what other games I'll wind up getting down the road...Maybe Uncharted 4 since it's very Tomb Raider'ish and I love Tomb Raider games and it's a Playstation exclusive. I'll always opt for PC versions when available. Love the feel of the PS4 controller....very comfortable.
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Post by Emig5m on Jan 11, 2017 0:40:41 GMT -5
Ha! So I just figured out that you can use the mic jack on the PS4 Controller for your sound!
Work wirelessly too (currently using the supplied USB cable to charge the controller). So unplugging the controller wire the sound still works wirelessly and it automatically turns off the sound to the TV/Hdmi output when the headphones are plugged in and then automatically turns the sound back on to the TV/Hdmi when the headphones are unplugged! I'm liking this console much more already - hopefully the graphics and image quality impress. Sound quality in the menu sounds pretty good but I'll wait until I'm in a game or streaming music or something to give final judgement of the sound quality coming to the controller wirelessly but it is much better than the Tvs sound output through its headphone jack for sure! I have to assume it's broadcasting through Bluetooth? I'm going to be using some nice Sennheiser Momentum 2.0 earbuds so I don't have to keep constantly unplugging my HD558's from the back of my PC. I need to get a second set of decent over the ear headphones, maybe a pair of the Momentum 2.0 full size headphones...time to start saving my $10's, $5's, and $1's again, lol.
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Post by BT on Jan 11, 2017 4:38:26 GMT -5
Reading "I wish it had a headphone jack" made me laugh...  You can change the headphones volume in 'Connected Device' settings. You can also use the headphones they give you (I'm assuming they still do with the pro) or any other set with a mic to issue voice commands... "Playstation : Take screenshot" etc. Uncharted 4 is worth getting; I've had it some time now but still haven't finished it, been rationing it out and also mostly playing Fallout... It looks glorious - they updated a photo-mode not long after launch and I find myself getting very distracted by it! |
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Post by Emig5m on Jan 11, 2017 7:08:54 GMT -5
They give you a single earbud/mic so it's only a one ear mono earbud. I thought that the jack on the controller was just for voice chat. But anyhow, it's pretty cool that it's for all the game and device sounds too. I played a few minutes of the game last night and sound quality is pretty good through my Sennheiser ear buds. My Sennheisers are for Android devices so they have a MIC built in, I wonder if that MIC is going to work with the PS4? I didn't have to download the full 35GB's to play the game but more around 5.58GB's got me up and running and then the rest downloaded in the background. I'll decide what the next game I'm going to get after I get through this one first. And of course, playing the game locally looks and sounds much better than the online streaming thing.
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Post by SJ on Jan 13, 2017 21:54:34 GMT -5
Reading "I wish it had a headphone jack" made me laugh...
You can change the headphones volume in 'Connected Device' settings.You can also use the headphones they give you (I'm assuming they still do with the pro) or any other set with a mic to issue voice commands... "Playstation : Take screenshot" etc. Uncharted 4 is worth getting; I've had it some time now but still haven't finished it, been rationing it out and also mostly playing Fallout... It looks glorious - they updated a photo-mode not long after launch and I find myself getting very distracted by it! Bold added by me. You could do it that way. However, the shortcut for volume to the controller headphone jack is holding down the "PS button" (button between the 2 analog sticks) for a couple of seconds. Then you'll see "Sound/Devices" menu (highlighted by default, since it's at the top of the list). From there, press right direction button over to Volume Control (Headphones). This can be accessed mid-game even. |
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Post by BT on Jan 13, 2017 22:00:02 GMT -5
Not clocked that; although I did notice it started bringing up a 'side bar' on the left pressing the PS button after an update not long ago. I think I've only had to change the level a couple of times after playing quiet BluRays... I put on Fallout after one and nearly got deafened.
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Post by SJ on Jan 13, 2017 22:03:37 GMT -5
Well I took a nice evening nap since I'm more apt to spend money when I'm well rested, hehe, so I wound up getting a PS4 Pro... Congrats, man! Yeah, after having playing the PS4 a bit, I think Sony has upped their game from the PS3. The interface and controller have improved quite a lot. Getting the PS4 Pro now so you don't have to upgrade later makes sense. I'm content with the PS4 Slim for now, having got it sale with a bundle package I don't feel that it was bad choice. I'll probably get a PS4 Pro later this year, when I get a 4K tv that has the features I want. |
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Post by SJ on Jan 13, 2017 22:04:22 GMT -5
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