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Post by sj on Aug 25, 2024 16:36:07 GMT -5
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Post by Cop on Aug 26, 2024 9:06:38 GMT -5
Was reading that EV's go through tires much faster than gasoline cars, due to greatly increased weight and acceleration. But at the same time there are less particles from brake pads and discs since they need to be used less, and of course anything coming out of the exhaust, especially diesel (which maybe isn't such a big deal in the US, but in Europe it certainly has been traditionally...
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Post by sj on Aug 26, 2024 9:31:06 GMT -5
The root of the problem, just like with the transition from paper & glass to a plastic enconomy, is how industry moved away from natural sources to synthetic ones. Had they kept using natural, renewable sources for manufacturing rubber for tires, the tire material would have been biodegradable, rather than remaining in the environment indefinitely and poisoning living things. time.com/archive/6819165/science-goldenrod-rubber/
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Post by sj on Aug 26, 2024 11:02:21 GMT -5
The rubber made from this process that Edison invented lasted longer than the synthetic stuff too. The reason nobody uses it is because the US oil industry bought up the patents and buried the idea (because the process didn't use oil and the big oil couldn't make money off of it).
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Post by sj on Aug 26, 2024 11:11:59 GMT -5
Edison also invented environmentally friendly batteries that are rechargeable and last 30 years. I think it's the same deal where industry bought up the patents and made it so they're illegal to manufacture in countries that obey patent laws. www.survivopedia.com/the-science-behind-edison-batteries/
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Post by sj on Aug 26, 2024 11:17:10 GMT -5
These technologies were invented in the early 1900's, so it's kinda ridiculous we chose toxic manufacturing in the first place. As a matter of fact, the electric motor was invented before the internal combustion engine. A big part of why EVs didn't win out much earlier is due to big oil's influence, buying up patents and politicians (through campaign contributions), over the past century.
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Post by ForRealTho on Aug 26, 2024 21:37:41 GMT -5
When it comes to the Presidential election, some people are already calling it for Harris........I dunno. There was no logical reason for Bush to win after 8 years of Clinton. The economy was good and everything. I remember people saying Hilary had a 95% chance of winning in 2016. A 95% chance. I sat and watched that go from 95% to 65% to 5% then they called it for Trump. Who knows at this point.
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Post by sj on Aug 27, 2024 5:14:27 GMT -5
95% chance of winning and then losing is crazy bad luck. Alternatively, (and, imo, more likely) the 95% number they threw at the voting public was a total fabrication (to try to get Trump voters to give up and stay home on election day).. basically, evidence that the mainstream media lies to us about polling numbers and tries to manipulate election outcomes through false reporting.
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Post by sj on Aug 27, 2024 7:50:45 GMT -5
If you look back to the 2020 Democrat primaries (not that long ago), remember that Kamala polled lowest among the Dem candidates. Yet, here we are with her as the nominee and noone voted for her, because she never actually had to compete in the primaries.
In the other corner, they give us Trump, to convince Democrats (because Trump is so hated by Democrats) that Kamala is the chosen one. It was the same plan with Hillary - prop up an opponent so hated/disliked that she'd win for sure, but it backfired because there was free speech on the internet the 1st time he ran and his grass-roots brainwashing to save America was quite powerful & underestimated. lol.. They just need to control/censor public discourse on the internet, like they've been doing, and Kamala should have a pretty good chance.
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Post by ForRealTho on Aug 28, 2024 11:56:19 GMT -5
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Post by ForRealTho on Aug 29, 2024 7:20:54 GMT -5
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Post by sj on Aug 29, 2024 9:33:11 GMT -5
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Post by sj on Aug 29, 2024 9:34:32 GMT -5
Rethuglicans and Demoncrats. hahah
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Post by sj on Aug 29, 2024 10:27:42 GMT -5
If America isn't a country/homeland, like the narrator purports, why even have a border? lol Actually, just go back and listen to Obama speeches while he served as PotUS and started turning gray - he was very much pro-borders and pro legal immigration. This idea that borders don't matter and no requirement for citizenship/legal immigration is fine & dandy is something new (under brain-dead Biden).
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Post by sj on Aug 29, 2024 11:25:43 GMT -5
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Post by sj on Aug 29, 2024 13:59:57 GMT -5
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Post by sj on Aug 29, 2024 14:24:54 GMT -5
The main (real) issue with open borders and allowing the poorer immigrants to flood across is not the fault of the immigrants. It's the $35 trillion in debt and the US won't be able to afford to cover more welfare recipients for much longer before going broke as a nation. I don't blame the immigrants either. Another problem (for the immigrants themselves) is cost of living and housing here.. It's outrageous with the ultra high housing/rent costs and limited availability (despite having ridiculous amounts of land we could develop housing on, if the powers that be allowed it). I think they're being sold a bad bill of goods - its misinformation letting them think they're gonna be able to afford a place to live here. It's especially worrying about their outcomes after the election (after they serve their true purpose - i.e. boost the blue vote), and the govt stops paying for their hotels, food, and whatnot. Edit: Americans/citizens look to shittier, disaster prone areas in quest for affordable housing. People (citizens and non-citizens alike) need to face the reality that the "American dream" is dead. Come here and you might get ensnared in the debt trap and unable to leave. In other words, there are better places to live (lower cost of living and more upwards mobility) in the world than the US. www.msn.com/en-us/money/realestate/americans-are-so-desperate-for-cheaper-houses-that-they-re-willing-to-live-in-flood-and-wildfire-zones/ar-AA1oXoBw?ocid=winp1taskbar&cvid=0c1e7e173ca34680a8b80a05d386843c&ei=42Just like I was saying.. If you want tens of millions of poor & illegal immigrants to remain here cuz that's the morally just thing to do, you're gonna need to solve the housing crisis first. It's inhumane not having roofs over their heads, relegating them to tent cities or living out in the open.
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Post by ForRealTho on Aug 29, 2024 22:18:21 GMT -5
EV's, as far as being the solution to save the environment, is social engineering (feel-good) hype as well. The lithium (both the mining process and manufacturing the batteries) are terrible for the environment. I'm going to go out on a limb that millions of cars dumping CO2 into the environment is worse then the pollution causes by lithium extraction and over lithiums lifespan
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Post by sj on Aug 30, 2024 12:51:55 GMT -5
EV's, as far as being the solution to save the environment, is social engineering (feel-good) hype as well. The lithium (both the mining process and manufacturing the batteries) are terrible for the environment. I'm going to go out on a limb that millions of cars dumping CO2 into the environment is worse then the pollution causes by lithium extraction and over lithiums lifespan You're going out on a far limb indeed and with nothing to go on, because you'd need a thorough scientific study to know for sure. My sources (which, yet again, you conveniently went outta your way to remove when quoting my post) were Columbia Uni and Wired. Where are yours?
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Post by sj on Aug 30, 2024 12:59:12 GMT -5
Actually, I'll just refer you back to the Kurzgesagt video on pollution. slackercentral.freeforums.net/post/36449/threadThe media has you social engineered to think most of the pollution is from just driving your car/SUV around, when in fact there are a multitude of other processes (including industrial) putting out much more CO2.
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Post by sj on Aug 30, 2024 13:13:10 GMT -5
Mining itself requires heavy machinery (i.e. high CO2 output) to extract minerals from deep in the earth. Then the energy (again, from fossil fuels, outputting more CO2) to process the raw ore and then manufacture the batteries. If that weren't enough, lithium batteries only last about 10 years (not 30 years, like the batteries Edison invented back in 1901, which also use more abundant, cheaper to extract and non-toxic iron & nickel), so they go into our landfills and pollute our ground water only one decade after manufactured. Lithium mining is terrible for the environment, period.
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Post by ForRealTho on Aug 30, 2024 13:23:04 GMT -5
I'm going to go out on a limb that millions of cars dumping CO2 into the environment is worse then the pollution causes by lithium extraction and over lithiums lifespan You're going out on a far limb indeed and with nothing to go on, because you'd need a thorough scientific study to know for sure. My sources (which, yet again, you conveniently went outta your way to remove when quoting my post) were Columbia Uni and Wired. Where are yours? I didn't conveniently remove anything. I clipped what I wanted to reply too which is common on forums. Your original links are still there. From your link it says a battery powered car creates 70% more CO2 while being builtThey didn't factor in the COS after it drives off the lot over the lifetime of the vehicle. Speaking of convient omissions.....
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Post by sj on Aug 30, 2024 13:24:30 GMT -5
Actually, I'll just refer you back to the Kurzgesagt video on pollution. slackercentral.freeforums.net/post/36449/threadThe media has you social engineered to think most of the pollution is from just driving your car/SUV around, when in fact there are a multitude of other processes (including industrial) putting out much more CO2. One other thing. A true believer, who thinks it's of do or die importance, would switch to EVs, like Cop did. Leading by example is important, because when someone doesn't practice what they preach, you have to question their motives, integrity, and standing by their principles. Of course, by this, I'm mostly refering to the elites and politicians.
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Post by ForRealTho on Aug 30, 2024 13:25:15 GMT -5
If we had the push for electric cars in the early 20th century we have now imagine where battery tech would be today
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Post by sj on Aug 30, 2024 13:29:52 GMT -5
You should really watch the Kurzgesagt video, as it gives an excellent forest from trees perspective on pollution.
The video explains that road construction itself (specifically, manufacturing the asphalt) puts out as much CO2 as driving cars.
Now factor in EVs being heavier and putting more wear & tear on our roads, meaning even more road construction and the CO2 to go with it.
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Post by sj on Aug 30, 2024 13:35:46 GMT -5
If we had the push for electric cars in the early 20th century we have now imagine where battery tech would be today I agree we should have gone the electric direction much earlier. It's not that the concept of EV's themselves are inherently worse, rather it's the tech & materials current industry chooses to use in them isn't environmentally friendly.. which makes no damn sense, when significantly more environmentally friendly options (for manufacturing both tires and batteries - see my posts on Edison's inventions) existed since the early 1900's.
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Post by sj on Aug 30, 2024 13:47:22 GMT -5
Seems to me that Gates has the right idea by going nuclear. The government should get behind his plan, like it has with Musk's SpaceX.. i'd argue that clean, alternate energy is even more important than rockets and satellites, even if it doesn't sound as cool. Supposedly, our country wants to lead in AI as well, and the tech giant geniuses say the main bottleneck for advancing AI is our energy capacity. So there's our financial argument for increasing energy production and capacity.
Killing oil, without first creating an alternative energy source (equally as abundant and affordable), kills the economy because our economy depends on cheap abundant energy. When you kill oil without a replacement, the price of energy goes up, contributing greatly to the inflation problem we've experienced under Biden. Also, "dumping trillions of dollars on the streets" (printing too much currency, creating debt) is highly inflationary. Some of it i'm sure is price gouging as well, but none of these are mutually exclusive.. all causes occurred simultaneously and gave us record high inflation.
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Post by ForRealTho on Aug 30, 2024 16:46:35 GMT -5
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Post by ForRealTho on Aug 31, 2024 11:34:55 GMT -5
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Post by sj on Aug 31, 2024 13:39:53 GMT -5
Zuck being put through the ringer.
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