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Post by ForRealTho on Feb 3, 2020 12:44:41 GMT -5
www.techspot.com/article/650-history-of-the-gpu/I read through this entire thing. Hasn't been updated since 2013 but its still really good. They mention the Matrox Mystique which I am still annoyed about. I didn't really understand 3D cards so I bought it when I was like 14 having no clue it wasn't a good card. It wouldn't run GLQuake or pretty much anything but the included shitty games. Insult to injury the salesmen tried to sell me a Voodoo 1 but I still went with the Mystique. Ugh. After that I researched the fuck out of video cards before I bought them. Never made that "mystake"(lol) ever again. I'll never forget the rabid hate that Nvidia started to get around the time the GeForce DDR came out and 3dfx was being pushed out. I still remember picking up the GeForce DDR at the mall after multiple delays getting it. Got pizza with friends then went home and installed it. Was so cool seeing games at 1600x1200. Also the Radeon 9700 Pro completely wiping up the floor with everything. I got the last one at Best Buy. That was the last GPU I was super hyped for. I got the 6800 GT as my next card and I remember feeling much more meh about the whole upgrade cycle. I no longer had the passion for swapping GPUs and it was only 2 year difference. Just growing up I guess. This is also the time I got into lifting weights and got my first mountain bike since I was a kid. When I was in High School I left my bike in the backyard over the long Alaskan winter and it rusted away so I tossed it and didn't even think about biking for almost 10 years. I guess getting into other hobbies had the importance of video cards drop to me.
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Post by Emig5m on Feb 4, 2020 15:19:46 GMT -5
The 9700 Pro.. Sure was a legendary card. It was Ailuros who talked me into returning the nvidia card that I bought at the time to get the 9700 Pro instead. That was good advice, lol. I think I might of went 6800Gt after as well, and definitely remember the 8800GT which I kinda felt like it was the closest to the next 9700 Pro. Well, my 2080 Ti OC be sitting here chuckling...lol.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2020 16:16:34 GMT -5
The 9700 Pro.. Sure was a legendary card. It was Ailuros who talked me into returning the nvidia card that I bought at the time to get the 9700 Pro instead. That was good advice, lol. I think I might of went 6800Gt after as well, and definitely remember the 8800GT which I kinda felt like it was the closest to the next 9700 Pro. Well, my 2080 Ti OC be sitting here chuckling...lol. That must've been sometime after Ailuros quit his Nvidia online shill job and exposed himself as such.
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Post by Coolverine on Feb 4, 2020 18:12:19 GMT -5
I got the very first Radeon, it was called the Radeon 64mb DDR VIVO. It had RCA video input and output and was great for both gaming and home theater stuff. Later on I got the Radeon 8500 and then later a Radeon 9700 Pro. When 3dfx closed, I didn't feel like going with nvidia just yet, but now all my cards since 2005 have been Nvidia.
*edit* Come to think of it, it was actually the Radeon 9800 Pro 256mb I had.
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Post by ForRealTho on Feb 4, 2020 18:17:54 GMT -5
The 9700 Pro.. Sure was a legendary card. It was Ailuros who talked me into returning the nvidia card that I bought at the time to get the 9700 Pro instead. That was good advice, lol. I think I might of went 6800Gt after as well, and definitely remember the 8800GT which I kinda felt like it was the closest to the next 9700 Pro. Well, my 2080 Ti OC be sitting here chuckling...lol. A salesmen actually tried to dissuade me from getting the 9700 Pro, he said "the drivers are bad on ATI cards". I just said thanks but I want this and he gave me a look like I was a complete idiot. The Radeon 8500 was my first ATI card and it did in fact have a couple of small issues when I first got it. The text in Counter-Strike had this weird halo effect around. Other then that it was fine. The only issue I had is any AA above 2x was a no go unless you wanted to drop a res. The 9700 Pro was completely nuts. I couldn't believe I could run 1024x768 4x AA 16x AF. The 9700 Pro was so fast that the fastest CPUs of the day bottlenecked it, I remember getting a new CPU a year later and having my minimum frames jump a ton in large firefights. My 1070 is still going strong which is insane for a 4 year old GPU.
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Post by ForRealTho on Feb 4, 2020 18:33:46 GMT -5
I got the very first Radeon, it was called the Radeon 64mb DDR VIVO. It had RCA video input and output and was great for both gaming and home theater stuff. Later on I got the Radeon 8500 and then later a Radeon 9700 Pro. When 3dfx closed, I didn't feel like going with nvidia just yet, but now all my cards since 2005 have been Nvidia. *edit* Come to think of it, it was actually the Radeon 9800 Pro 256mb I had. I had no idea 3dfx was going to go out of business but I had been eyeing Nvidia since a friend of mine had the Riva TNT2 Ultra and he loved it. When the GeForce DDR came out people in the 3dfx camp all said that "Nvidiots are brainwashed by T&L propaganda and T&L isn't even a big deal and won't be for years" Fair enough on the T&L point. I didn't care much about that. What I did care about was the crazy benchmark numbers: images.anandtech.com/old/video/nvidia/geforce256_ddr/image004.gifIt just blew everything out of the water. I had also upgraded to a monitor that could display 1600x1200 and the GeForce DDR was the only card on the planet that could support it in games at something playable. I also lucked out and I could overclock from 150 mhz to I think 170 with no issues. People said I was an idiot for doing that but in those days I only kept my GPU for like a year or two anyway so I wasn't worried. Wasn't a single person in my immediate circle who had a Voodoo 5.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2020 11:37:14 GMT -5
Insolent nvidots! My first video card was the Voodoo 5, though my older brother had a PC I used to play games on before building my first PC. As I recall, 3dfx card performance was great in glide games. Before 3dfx's demise, fewer and fewer game devs were using glide and 3dfx execs mismanaged their business, so other gfx card companies sapped up the market share.
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Post by Coolverine on Feb 5, 2020 11:44:38 GMT -5
My first videocard was the 3dfx Voodoo Banshee sometime in the late 90's. I also got a Voodoo 5, unfortunately I accidentally broke the edge of the PCB on the master chip on it trying to re-seat the heatsinks on it. Later on I bought another Voodoo 5 at a fleamarket for $20, it works in single chip mode which means the slave chip on that one is bad. I've wanted to find someone who can maybe take the good master chip from one and put it on the other, or vice-versa with the slave chip. Looking back, I was just a kid and should have left well enough alone instead of trying to re-seat stuff. It broke my heart.
The first time I ever turned on hardware AA in games, I was blown away. Even 2x was incredible and usually still left the framerate acceptable. I was planning on getting the Voodoo 5 6000, but of course that one never made it to market. It was going to have its own external power supply.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2020 11:58:51 GMT -5
My first videocard was the 3dfx Voodoo Banshee sometime in the late 90's. I also got a Voodoo 5, unfortunately I accidentally broke the edge of the PCB on the master chip on it trying to re-seat the heatsinks on it. Later on I bought another Voodoo 5 at a fleamarket for $20, it works in single chip mode which means the slave chip on that one is bad. I've wanted to find someone who can maybe take the good master chip from one and put it on the other, or vice-versa with the slave chip. Looking back, I was just a kid and should have left well enough alone instead of trying to re-seat stuff. It broke my heart. The first time I ever turned on hardware AA in games, I was blown away. Even 2x was incredible and usually still left the framerate acceptable. I was planning on getting the Voodoo 5 6000, but of course that one never made it to market. It was going to have its own external power supply. I just barely started to attempt to remove the heatsinks on my V5. But I could see the pins bend just a tad, so I stopped and left it be. The thermal glue (because it really was more like glue than thermal compound) they used was damn near as hard as superglue. The card still worked last time I tried it. It's the PCI version as well, so it's compatible with a greater range of motherboards.
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Post by ForRealTho on Feb 5, 2020 13:49:25 GMT -5
I've only ever messed with the cooler on a GPU once. I paid $20 for this giant aluminum heatsink for my old 6800 GT. Dropped temps like 10c.
I also put liquid metal on my current laptop which dropped temps by like 20c, quite nice.
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Post by Cop on Feb 6, 2020 0:57:14 GMT -5
I was lucky to be working where I was working around the time videocards meant something to me. One of my colleagues there was a speed freak who used to buy all kinds of tech, then after a while need more money for drugs and sell a bunch of his shit. Of him, I bought a second Voodoo 2 12MB so I could run mine in SLI with it. Then he sold me his V3 3500TV and eventually a V5 5500. It paid to keep in touch with that guy. Can't remember the prices I paid but it certainly was at serious discounts compared to prices in stores...
My Sega Dreamcast is another thing I remember buying off him.
Except for the V2, I still have all that stuff...
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Post by ForRealTho on Feb 7, 2020 10:29:51 GMT -5
I was lucky to be working where I was working around the time videocards meant something to me. One of my colleagues there was a speed freak who used to buy all kinds of tech, then after a while need more money for drugs and sell a bunch of his shit. Of him, I bought a second Voodoo 2 12MB so I could run mine in SLI with it. Then he sold me his V3 3500TV and eventually a V5 5500. It paid to keep in touch with that guy. Can't remember the prices I paid but it certainly was at serious discounts compared to prices in stores... Ugh. Back in my college party days I had a friend who was a very stereotypical computer nerd. Then he got into meth. It really made him come out of his shell. He then decided he was "too cool" for computer games and sold all of his PC stuff. We lost touch. I heard he got busted for DUI and possession. No clue what happened too him after that. Don't take meth kids.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2020 11:43:47 GMT -5
I was lucky to be working where I was working around the time videocards meant something to me. One of my colleagues there was a speed freak who used to buy all kinds of tech, then after a while need more money for drugs and sell a bunch of his shit. Of him, I bought a second Voodoo 2 12MB so I could run mine in SLI with it. Then he sold me his V3 3500TV and eventually a V5 5500. It paid to keep in touch with that guy. Can't remember the prices I paid but it certainly was at serious discounts compared to prices in stores... Ugh. Back in my college party days I had a friend who was a very stereotypical computer nerd. Then he got into meth. It really made him come out of his shell. He then decided he was "too cool" for computer games and sold all of his PC stuff. We lost touch. I heard he got busted for DUI and possession. No clue what happened too him after that. Don't take meth kids. Don't legalize meth, kids. I've seen first hand the effects these drugs (heroin and meth) have had on my youngest brother. He's turned into a paranoid Schizophrenic and can't hold down a job. Support legalizing hard drugs = "you've gone full retard" Actually, don't legalize pot either. I don't buy the line that it's only marijuana and it ain't that bad, because we all know it's a gateway drug to the harder drugs.
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Post by ForRealTho on Feb 7, 2020 12:06:18 GMT -5
He's turned into a paranoid Schizophrenic and can't hold down a job. Quite sad about your brother. Meth messes people up but its debatable if it causes schizophrenia or if accelerates and exacerbates symptoms. When I used to work in the mental health field one of my coworkers lost everything because he got into IV meth. He had scars all over his arms from it. He had issues with depression after he got sober but no thankfully no paranoia or hallucinations. Never saw the appeal of meth. When I was younger I was much more interested in things like mushrooms/peyote and the like, the whole pretentious "mind expansion" thing.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2020 12:24:42 GMT -5
He's turned into a paranoid Schizophrenic and can't hold down a job. Quite sad about your brother. Meth messes people up but its debatable if it causes schizophrenia or if accelerates and exacerbates symptoms. When I used to work in the mental health field one of my coworkers lost everything because he got into IV meth. He had scars all over his arms from it. He had issues with depression after he got sober but no thankfully no paranoia or hallucinations. Never saw the appeal of meth. When I was younger I was much more interested in things like mushrooms/peyote and the like, the whole pretentious "mind expansion" thing. We're fairly sure it's the drug use, because schizophrenia doesn't run in our family. He's the only one to have been diagnosed with it and he now has to take prescription meds to treat it. Of course, it's "debatable" because every person has a different body chemistry and various drugs (prescription or illegal) can affect people differently. It could be a case of bad luck that his body chemistry made him predisposed to developing schizophrenia from using Meth. Edit: A while ago, I did look up the side effects of Meth use. One possibly side effect is psychotic delusions, so it's not like his is a completely isolated case.
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Post by Emig5m on Feb 8, 2020 18:03:44 GMT -5
I'll say this, I know of someone who does/did meth and is schizo. I never got into drug use because I like to function with a clear and sharp mind 100% of the time and have seen how drug use has completely ruined peoples lives including killing themselves from overdoses. I think drugs effect different people differently because my one friend told me that heroin is basically cheap morphine and I remember when I chipped, fractured, and dislocated my shoulder the hospital gave me so much morphine to where I couldn't even fully lift my head to look at the clock on the wall but I still felt every bit of pain and I couldn't imagine paying to feel like you have uncontrollable falling asleep and minimal coherency. I didn't think it resembled anything of what I would call feeling good. They also gave me hyrdocodone to take home for the pain and again, it didn't take away the pain and holy shit constipation level 20 on the richter scale, batman! My shit was like solid concrete and I basically had to pick it out...thought I was going to need to go to the emergency room to get my shit removed, LOL. I flushed those pills down the toilet and can't believe people take them for pleasure? My only explanation is that they effect different people differently or it's the ultimate case of simple pleasures for simple minds. I'm not 100% a saint because as a teenager I smoked weed with friends and had a great time but after the teenage "fun" years I just flat out got burned out on it and just totally gave it up on a whim. I didn't feel addicted to it or anything. When I wanted to quit it wasn't hard at all and I didn't crave it afterwards. From time to time I'll get people trying to get me to toke up but like I said earlier, I like to function with a clear and sharp mind 100% of the time. I've also never been drunk in my life (that's another long story).
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2020 19:22:40 GMT -5
I'll say this, I know of someone who does/did meth and is schizo. I never got into drug use because I like to function with a clear and sharp mind 100% of the time and have seen how drug use has completely ruined peoples lives including killing themselves from overdoses. I think drugs effect different people differently because my one friend told me that heroin is basically cheap morphine and I remember when I chipped, fractured, and dislocated my shoulder the hospital gave me so much morphine to where I couldn't even fully lift my head to look at the clock on the wall but I still felt every bit of pain and I couldn't imagine paying to feel like you have uncontrollable falling asleep and minimal coherency. I didn't think it resembled anything of what I would call feeling good. They also gave me hyrdocodone to take home for the pain and again, it didn't take away the pain and holy shit constipation level 20 on the richter scale, batman! My shit was like solid concrete and I basically had to pick it out...thought I was going to need to go to the emergency room to get my shit removed, LOL. I flushed those pills down the toilet and can't believe people take them for pleasure? My only explanation is that they effect different people differently or it's the ultimate case of simple pleasures for simple minds. I'm not 100% a saint because as a teenager I smoked weed with friends and had a great time but after the teenage "fun" years I just flat out got burned out on it and just totally gave it up on a whim. I didn't feel addicted to it or anything. When I wanted to quit it wasn't hard at all and I didn't crave it afterwards. From time to time I'll get people trying to get me to toke up but like I said earlier, I like to function with a clear and sharp mind 100% of the time. I've also never been drunk in my life (that's another long story). Yeah, you have to watch out for the prescription meds too. Celebrities and countless other people die every year from complications and health problems brought on by prescription meds. Jordan Peterson is currently near death due to complications from a physical dependency on anti-anxiety meds.
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Post by Emig5m on Feb 8, 2020 19:41:48 GMT -5
I'll say this, I know of someone who does/did meth and is schizo. I never got into drug use because I like to function with a clear and sharp mind 100% of the time and have seen how drug use has completely ruined peoples lives including killing themselves from overdoses. I think drugs effect different people differently because my one friend told me that heroin is basically cheap morphine and I remember when I chipped, fractured, and dislocated my shoulder the hospital gave me so much morphine to where I couldn't even fully lift my head to look at the clock on the wall but I still felt every bit of pain and I couldn't imagine paying to feel like you have uncontrollable falling asleep and minimal coherency. I didn't think it resembled anything of what I would call feeling good. They also gave me hyrdocodone to take home for the pain and again, it didn't take away the pain and holy shit constipation level 20 on the richter scale, batman! My shit was like solid concrete and I basically had to pick it out...thought I was going to need to go to the emergency room to get my shit removed, LOL. I flushed those pills down the toilet and can't believe people take them for pleasure? My only explanation is that they effect different people differently or it's the ultimate case of simple pleasures for simple minds. I'm not 100% a saint because as a teenager I smoked weed with friends and had a great time but after the teenage "fun" years I just flat out got burned out on it and just totally gave it up on a whim. I didn't feel addicted to it or anything. When I wanted to quit it wasn't hard at all and I didn't crave it afterwards. From time to time I'll get people trying to get me to toke up but like I said earlier, I like to function with a clear and sharp mind 100% of the time. I've also never been drunk in my life (that's another long story). Yeah, you have to watch out for the prescription meds too. Celebrities and countless other people die every year from complications and health problems brought on by prescription meds. Jordan Peterson is currently near death due to complications from a physical dependency on anti-anxiety meds.
Interesting for somebody whose supposedly really intelligent who millions of people take advice from to be overtaken by drugs...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2020 19:56:38 GMT -5
Yeah, you have to watch out for the prescription meds too. Celebrities and countless other people die every year from complications and health problems brought on by prescription meds. Jordan Peterson is currently near death due to complications from a physical dependency on anti-anxiety meds.
Interesting for somebody whose supposedly really intelligent who millions of people take advice from to be overtaken by drugs...
It could be that the addiction starts slowly, the addict has the (false) perception that he/she is in control, and the process (losing your own will to the drug) gradually spirals out of control. They say with heroin you can become addicted after just one or two uses though.
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