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Post by Emig5m on Dec 25, 2019 23:57:37 GMT -5
That you don't realize how nice it is until you go back to a standard display. Just finished Hellblade: Senua's Sacrifice playing in HDR on my 75" 4k display in my home theater system... Fired it up on my desktop with my non HDR 144hz uber gaming monitor and it looks like washed out shit in comparison...lol. Yea it's like I wasn't overly impressed with it until I went back to standard, heh. Even the menu screen with her face is a drastic difference. The suck ass thing is that my HDR display is only 60Hz for anything over 1080p in which it will do 120Hz at 1080p but 1080p looks so shitty these days for games it's almost like reverse anti-alaising, lol. But sadly at max detail on my RTX 2060 Laptop at 1440p I was getting dips down to 41fps in some spots, same spots on my OC'd 1080 GTX was only dipping down to 71fps so although my RTX 2060 laptop can nearly compete with my 1080 GTX desktop in some games like Shadow of the Tomb Raider, other games like Senua's Sacrifice the desktop system really pulls ahead... I'm just imagining throwing a RTX 2080 Ti in my desktop and just moving it to my home theater and going full 4k gaming instead of running my 4k screen at 1440p in games (which looks dramatically better than 1080p but not as good as full 4k) and the fact that the display only does 60Hz @ 1440p/4k being worried about obtaining ultra high refresh/fps in 4k is moot and the 2080 Ti should do 4k justice on this display.
Yea, high fps and high refresh rates also definitely make a difference for twitch shooter and racing games, especially when playing online, but tiny screens I just don't get the immersion that I do with large screens! Plus other than going on UT Alpha every now and then to just pwn some n00bs for shits and giggles I don't even play online games anymore. I like just kicking back on the couch and being immersed into a fantasy!
Other games I've tried in HDR is Shadow of the Tomb Raider and MXGP2019. Both look so washed out now going back to my Asus gaming desktop monitor plus I just can't get immersed in the tiny 27" size display - I feel like I'm playing on a smartphone, lol. I'm thinking my ultimate answer is going to be something like this:
Great response time, Gsync 120Hz OLED! The only thing that would stop me from going and getting that display right now is that I wouldn't have a place to put my current 75" while I wait to sell it, lol. Or maybe I should just hang in there until the 144Hz models come out next year... Either way, I just can't get into games on my tiny washed out looking 27"....
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Post by ForRealTho on Dec 27, 2019 11:49:26 GMT -5
HDR is one of those things I keep meaning to try. Similar to not realizing how good it is, I am playing through Dishonored 1 again and because it is a 7 year old game(time flies) it only uses 30% of my GPU all things maxed, I looked up .ini tweaks to increase fidelity but I also made sure to use SGSSAA. SGSSAA is a bit of work to get going. You have to download Nvidia Inspector to set it up and use some codes. *yawn* you say "Why bother with that B.S. sounds like too much work!" Most AA in most games is shit but SGSSAA makes it so there are no jaggies anywhere in the image. The opening level of Dishonored has prison bars everywhere and tons of other stuff that normally has bad aliasing but with SGSSAA it is rock solid. Not a single jagged line anywhere. It is performance heavy so a game from 2012 goes from using 30% of GPU to 70-90% but damn does it look nice. steamcommunity.com/app/299740/discussions/0/2132869574264276328/) |
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Post by Coolverine on Dec 27, 2019 12:17:21 GMT -5
My monitor does something called ASCR (Asus Smart Contrast Ratio), it dynamically adjusts the contrast ratio based on whatever is on the screen, I think it's similar to HDR. www.asus.com/us/support/FAQ/1009178/When I first got this monitor (PB277Q) it looked very washed out in dark scenes until I adjusted the colors and turned on ASCR. It looks great. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2019 12:17:29 GMT -5
HDR is one of those things I keep meaning to try. The professional reviews say HDR makes a huge difference and, at first, that had me excited about it. Unfortunately, only 112 games (out of thousands of games) are HDR. Sorry to burst anyone's bubble, but you should probably check the list to determine if the cost of upgrading to an HDR monitor or tv is truly worth it (for you, based on the games you play). www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/List_of_games_that_support_high_dynamic_range_display_(HDR) |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2019 13:38:16 GMT -5
Also, something I learned (from reading reviews on rtings.com) is that plenty of tv/monitor models out there just don't do HDR well, even when they claim to have the feature. So it's important to read the reviews, before purchasing. Features like a monitor's peak brightness and video processing (chip) determine how well it can do HDR.
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Post by Emig5m on Dec 28, 2019 8:39:04 GMT -5
It's funny because I bought my TV with movies in mind first and foremost and now I'm doing more gaming on it. I wanted a 75" to be within THX spec at my seating distance and full array local dimming and was tired of dark scene banding and global dimming of the plasma plus the burn in potential with PC use and wanted something more than 1080p anyway. The HDR was just an added bonus of the TV that I first got to use in Horizon Zero Dawn. My TV is a 2016 Vizio P75 and it got superb reviews - in gaming mode/1080p it measures 16ms of input lag which is great for a large TV non gaming monitor.
The local dimming gives it inky blacks and unlike Plasma with its global dimming of very bright scenes, you can crank the backlight up so much that it will blind you and never dim a bright scene not even solid white! I keep the backlight set around 50% and it's still much brighter than the plasma and the local dimming gives it darker black on top of it!
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Post by Emig5m on Dec 28, 2019 8:41:06 GMT -5
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Post by Emig5m on Dec 29, 2019 11:58:37 GMT -5
My monitor does something called ASCR (Asus Smart Contrast Ratio), it dynamically adjusts the contrast ratio based on whatever is on the screen, I think it's similar to HDR. www.asus.com/us/support/FAQ/1009178/When I first got this monitor (PB277Q) it looked very washed out in dark scenes until I adjusted the colors and turned on ASCR. It looks great. Can't really fake it. For real HDR I think your display needs to be able to achieve a certain level of brightness while maintaining the deepest blacks from the start. Like PS4 checkerboard upscaled 4k isn't real full 4k rendering and an EQ can't make crappy speakers sound like higher quality ones (although it can help and be better than nothing, it's not an equally matched substitute for the real thing.)  I'm also not too much of a fan of dynamic stuff like dynamic contrast - a lot of times you can loose detail with black/white crush or bring out compression artifacts in movies. I'm even aware that my full array local dimming display isn't the same or as good as if each individual pixel could be turned off like an OLED - it helps, but not a equally matched substitute for the real thing. |
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Post by Coolverine on Dec 30, 2019 10:44:12 GMT -5
My monitor does something called ASCR (Asus Smart Contrast Ratio), it dynamically adjusts the contrast ratio based on whatever is on the screen, I think it's similar to HDR. www.asus.com/us/support/FAQ/1009178/When I first got this monitor (PB277Q) it looked very washed out in dark scenes until I adjusted the colors and turned on ASCR. It looks great. Can't really fake it. For real HDR I think your display needs to be able to achieve a certain level of brightness while maintaining the deepest blacks from the start. Like PS4 checkerboard upscaled 4k isn't real full 4k rendering and an EQ can't make crappy speakers sound like higher quality ones (although it can help and be better than nothing, it's not an equally matched substitute for the real thing.) I'm also not too much of a fan of dynamic stuff like dynamic contrast - a lot of times you can loose detail with black/white crush or bring out compression artifacts in movies. I'm even aware that my full array local dimming display isn't the same or as good as if each individual pixel could be turned off like an OLED - it helps, but not a equally matched substitute for the real thing. Whatever ASCR does, I'd rather have it turned on than not. Big difference in games going from a dark interior to a bright exterior environment looks much more believable. It also looks great for movies. The only problem I've really seen with it is (which isn't really an issue at all) sometimes on a dark screen with very little text on it, the text goes pretty dim. But if it's a dark scene in a game, the dark levels are much better and not washed out looking. I was playing Far Cry 5 and near the beginning, you're walking up to this huge forest while the sun is out, the bright areas were nice and vivid but the dark areas in the shade of the trees was still nice and dark without being washed out. Although I think that was more the lighting system of the game more than the monitor. My TV does HDR the only place I've seen it is in movies on VUDU, which I do see a difference there with it on. |
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