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Post by ForRealTho on Feb 26, 2019 9:01:12 GMT -5
The first story heavy character driven RPG I ever played was Final Fantasy VI in 1994. I didn't get a PC till two years later. Back then my favorite character was Shadow cuz hes a ninja but I also liked Celes, I'm not sure I remember why. Maybe because she was a general? I don't recall. Anyway FF6 quickly became my favorite game of all time till I got heavily into PCs and FPS in the next few years. Somehow I managed to stumble onto a mod for the Steam version of FF6 called A World Reborn: www.moddb.com/mods/final-fantasy-vi-a-world-rebornIt has multiple installers that basically upgrade the graphics and sound. FF6 also happened to be on sale on steam for $7 so I picked it up. Back when I was a kid I didn't think anything about politics while I was playing, however since the GamerGate thing blew up and now we have SJW/Anti-SJW stuff I can't help but see the game that way while I play. Anti-SJWIf FF6 was released today I could see how people would react now: "So this game opens and some stupid girl with green hair is the center of attention. OF COURSE some dumb girl is all powerful and has all this magic. You see guys? This is just like that shitty ghostbusters movie! Why can't we have strong male protagonists? Why does everything have to grovel at the feet of feminism like this? Our main male character Locke is spending all of his time worrying about this stupid girl instead of being a MAN!" The game would progress and then we would see Celes enter the picture: "See now this Celes is yet ANOTHER GIRL who can use magic and again this Locke guy spends all his time trying to please her. Look at this SJW crap, how come Locke can't be the strong one? Why does it have to be another dumb girl?" The game would progress and 2nd half would start and world of ruin would opens up. The 2nd half of the game opens with Celes alone: "So the first part of the game opens with a girl and then again the 2nd part of the game OPENS WITH ANOTHER GIRL! WHY AREN'T MEN ALLOWED TO BE THE CENTER OF ATTENTION IN THIS SHITTY SJW GAME?!!?!!?!?! 0/10 DON'T BUY IT GUYS! DEVELOPERS NEED TO STOP THUMBING THEIR NOSE AT THEIR CORE AUDIENCE OF YOUNG WHITE MALES LIKE US!" Feminist Perspective:I have only made a few hours in but I have noticed something. When you run into Celes she is chained up in a dungeon and Locke rescues her. However quickly he starts saying he will protect her and such. I'm thinking dude she is an actual wizard. The story also points out she led the assault on Miranda. A former general should not need protection from a common thief like Locke. She could tear him in half without trying. Celes is one of the strongest people on the planet at this point. It is kind of sexist if you think about it. Also later Seltzer kidnaps Celes from the Opera because he thinks she is Maria. He comes up to her after kidnapping her and is like "I'll show you lots of attention later tonight hehe" so basically he kidnapped her, dragged her to his airship and now he is saying he is going to rape her in so many words. Thats pretty fucked up if you think about it. I didn't even notice this when I was a kid. Even a general who led armies and is one of the few magic users on the planet is reduced to a weak sex object simply because she is a girl. I remember when people could just play games and have fun. lol. |
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Post by Cop on Feb 26, 2019 10:51:18 GMT -5
Like I recently told someone after the Brie Larson/Captain Marvel debacle: "I don't care about the gender (or the race for that matter) of any of these superheros, I would've went because I think it's a good movie, not because it is or it isn't a woman or a man in the lead role."
I don't know why this has become all that important all of a sudden. I've watched Tank Girl, Resident Evil, The Descent, the Underworld series, probably countless more in the past... nothing was ever made of them being movies with female leads, they just were. Now everything gets examined and combed through with such a fine comb until something is found to bitch about. I blame social media and the importance this 'social' media has gathered in the 'regular' media. You used to be a lunatic typing away in the dark, now all of a sudden it's a news story. It shouldn't be. Not everyone's opinion counts. Mine doesn't count and theirs shouldn't either. It's become silly to the point of being annoying. Make someone male, female and whatever race you like, if it fits the story and doesn't come over as gratuitous, it shouldn't even be mentioned, just like my favorite example of recent: Annihilation...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2019 12:00:03 GMT -5
You know, the FF games are made in Japan. Western values, culture, and trends don't necessarily apply to them.
They say Japan has always had a very male-dominated culture. If I had to guess, I'd say that the SJW subculture is still mostly a western thing.
And indeed, that seems to be the case after watching the interviews in this video.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2019 14:23:32 GMT -5
If we want to get into feminizing/SJW policing (or whatever you want to call it) other cultures around the world, why not start with the places that are the worst (in their treatment of women, gays, transgenders...)? i.e. Islamic states.
Yet, SJW's try to be (strange) bedfellows with Muslims and Islamic culture. imo, this makes the SJW cause appear disingenuous, given that these are two diametrically opposed ideologies. It's probably one of the main reasons many people don't care for SJW's viewpoints or take them seriously.
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Post by Cop on Feb 26, 2019 14:55:22 GMT -5
I think it's because of what Bill Burr rightfully noted: they don't just strive to be treated as equals, they want to take revenge on 'men' at the same time. Now that they're getting more power, they want to use that power to be just as bad to men as men used to be to women. That's retarded, why seek out even more conflict where there doesn't need to be? Shit like that results in months of non-issue discussions and fingerpointing for stuff like that godawful Ghostbusters remake. We all knew it would be atrocious when we saw that trailer and it wasn't because they were women, it was because it was unfunny, low-brow and just vulgar when compared to a much smarter original. But nooo, it was just because they were women and all these petty men couldn't stand women playing with their toys *sigh* Yeah, that was the problem, you nailed it  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2019 15:39:13 GMT -5
I think it's because of what Bill Burr rightfully noted: they don't just strive to be treated as equals, they want to take revenge on 'men' at the same time. Now that they're getting more power, they want to use that power to be just as bad to men as men used to be to women. That's retarded, why seek out even more conflict where there doesn't need to be? Shit like that results in months of non-issue discussions and fingerpointing for stuff like that godawful Ghostbusters remake. We all knew it would be atrocious when we saw that trailer and it wasn't because they were women, it was because it was unfunny, low-brow and just vulgar when compared to a much smarter original. But nooo, it was just because they were women and all these petty men couldn't stand women playing with their toys *sigh* Yeah, that was the problem, you nailed it Ghostbusters 1 Screenplay: Harold Ramis, Dan Aykroyd, Rick Moranis imo, it was smarter because Harold Ramis was a genius comedy writer. I doubt anyone else could write a story/screenplay so full of cheese, yet so hilarious at the same time. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2019 18:01:03 GMT -5
Most engineering, infrastructure, and construction jobs wouldn't get done without men (women). Go anywhere in the country and watch construction workers. If you look at them through SJW's eyes (counting the male to female ratio in the workplace), you'd think it must be the most (least) sexist industry of all because you rarely (always) see women working construction jobs.
So you see, it's not a black & white no compromises issue. I posted that to show what a farce it is to try and force the equality of outcomes or force quotas to up the female/male ratios in every workplace. Passing such a law and trying to enforce it would create a huge burden, to the point of likely grinding many projects to a halt.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2019 11:53:06 GMT -5
You know, the FF games are made in Japan. Western values, culture, and trends don't necessarily apply to them. They say Japan has always had a very male-dominated culture. If I had to guess, I'd say that the SJW subculture is still mostly a western thing. And indeed, that seems to be the case after watching the interviews in this video. Feminism has been taking root in at least one Asian country, South Korea. They're currently fighting the objectification of women. They've actually made pr0n illegal. a.msn.com/r/2/BBV4T6y?m=en-us&ocid=NewsLiberals generally support legalization of drugs, arguing that doing so would decrease the black market and reduce crime. I don't disagree (though some drugs are so addictive, like opioids, they shouldn't even be considered making legal). They don't seem to understand the same principle applies to anything that humans desire (such as pr0n or guns). Make those things illegal and black markets will pop up to meet the demand. Government can make something legal or illegal, but they can't change human nature and the millions of years of evolutionary hard-wiring. People will continue to pursue their addictions (drugs and sex) and violence (robbery using guns, etc), no matter what laws they enact. Perhaps someday, scientists & engineers will create a chip that can be implanted in the brain for direct mind control. But until then, no amount of social engineering (through media and govt legislation) is going to eradicate societies' issues. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2019 13:34:57 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2019 16:07:29 GMT -5
Mortal Kombat, one of the most violent video game franchises, gets SJW "woke" treatment. MK is so moral & puritan now.  I don't remember anybody ever complaining about the lead character in the Metroid games being female. Actually, never heard that complaint about any game. I think we see that sort of complaint about some movies. But it has nothing to do with the gender of the character in and of itself. It has everything to do with how the characters are portrayed and the storytelling. What the complainers (including me) don't like is weak story telling that portrays a woman as being flawless from start to finish, with the characters not having to earn anything or learn from experience as the plot progresses. They hate the contrived feminist narrative that women are better because it's some sort of female birthright. If you doubt that, then explain the "fat (women) are beautiful" that's being pushed by feminism these days. Why doesn't the same sh!t hold true for fat men? Can you say double standards? lol The "Mary Sue" character who is born perfect and doesn't have to put much work into improving herself annoys the audience, which I think should be the case whether you're an sjw or not. This type of character gains everything on her own and becomes OP, with little help from others. That's lazy story telling and boring. Occasionally, they do the same with male characters (such as Wesley Crusher from STNG) and that's just as bad. Which is why the meme, "shut up, Wesley" is so popular. Nobody likes a character that doesn't earn his/her own worth and, yet, is portrayed as the ultimate hero. |
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Post by ForRealTho on Apr 23, 2019 11:38:24 GMT -5
The video you linked was taken down so I didn't get a chance to watch it I don't remember anybody ever complaining about the lead character in the Metroid games being female. Actually, never heard that complaint about any game. I don't think your average gamer gives a shit. That said tho I have read people say they don't want to play games with female leads because they couldn't relate. Keep in mind people troll all the time. The No One Lives Forever games switched to a male protagonist for the 3rd game in the hopes that there would be higher sales. I never got around to playing them. I don't know if those games having a female lead hurt them or not. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 12:22:03 GMT -5
The video you linked was taken down so I didn't get a chance to watch it I don't remember anybody ever complaining about the lead character in the Metroid games being female. Actually, never heard that complaint about any game. I don't think your average gamer gives a shit. That said tho I have read people say they don't want to play games with female leads because they couldn't relate. Keep in mind people troll all the time. The No One Lives Forever games switched to a male protagonist for the 3rd game in the hopes that there would be higher sales. I never got around to playing them. I don't know if those games having a female lead hurt them or not. I don't get it, why a female lead (if written & scripted well) would bother a man. But then, I was raised in a feminist/matriarchal household. Not in the strict political leftist sense tho, just in the sense that women should be favored. What I'm realizing lately is that Christian women can be (or maybe all are) hardcore feminist who think men should be white-knights and cucks (i.e. marry single mothers, not expect much responsibility from a woman in marriage, let her dominate and control the family, etc.). This has its roots in the age-old concept of chivalry, which in turn is rooted in Christianity. Now I'm beginning understand why feminists and Christians are in many ways aligned in their puritan views of women. |
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Post by ForRealTho on Apr 23, 2019 13:19:44 GMT -5
I don't get it, why a female lead (if written & scripted well) would bother a man. But then, I was raised in a feminist/matriarchal household. Not in the strict political leftist sense tho, just in the sense that women should be favored. What I'm realizing lately is that Christian women can be (or maybe all are) hardcore feminist who think men should be white-knights and cucks (i.e. marry single mothers, not expect much responsibility from a woman in marriage, let her dominate and control the family, etc.). This has its roots in the age-old concept of chivalry, which in turn is rooted in Christianity. Now I'm beginning understand why feminists and Christians are in many ways aligned in their puritan views of women. Feminism is a big tent. To be fair the extremes of internet discourse don't really represent mainstream feminist thought. If you can get past the lunatic fringe feminists can make some very valid points. I am sure you have heard the term "basic bitch". When I first heard the term it was referencing women liking generic popular things, North Face jackets, Starbucks pumpkin spice lattes, etc. SNL even did a skit on it I think. If if women like generic popular things they are bad. Lets think about men tho, what could be more "basic" then liking football and sportscars? That is default "guy stuff" and I don't see men being criticized for liking it. Huge double standard. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 13:34:57 GMT -5
I don't get it, why a female lead (if written & scripted well) would bother a man. But then, I was raised in a feminist/matriarchal household. Not in the strict political leftist sense tho, just in the sense that women should be favored. What I'm realizing lately is that Christian women can be (or maybe all are) hardcore feminist who think men should be white-knights and cucks (i.e. marry single mothers, not expect much responsibility from a woman in marriage, let her dominate and control the family, etc.). This has its roots in the age-old concept of chivalry, which in turn is rooted in Christianity. Now I'm beginning understand why feminists and Christians are in many ways aligned in their puritan views of women. Feminism is a big tent. To be fair the extremes of internet discourse don't really represent mainstream feminist thought. If you can get past the lunatic fringe feminists can make some very valid points. I am sure you have heard the term "basic bitch". When I first heard the term it was referencing women liking generic popular things, North Face jackets, Starbucks pumpkin spice lattes, etc. SNL even did a skit on it I think. If if women like generic popular things they are bad. Lets think about men tho, what could be more "basic" then liking football and sportscars? That is default "guy stuff" and I don't see men being criticized for liking it. Huge double standard. Seems to be a generalization about people being shallow. Regardless, it comes across as nitpicky. By definition, most everybody likes "popular" things. So such criticisms could apply to anything that's popular and there will always be things that are popular, so it's like pissing in the wind. Interestingly, it kind of works in reverse for men. If a guy isn't into a guy thing (like football), then he's often thought of as a pussy, nerd, or the like. Edit: From personal experience, I don't think it's as much a double standard as you think. Average to high-quality women are typically very picky about their men's interests (not that there's anything wrong with that, but to counter your point). If the man is too much into video games and anime. Low status male. If he's into sports and fishing. If is has decent sized group of friends. Average status. He routinely participates and excels in sports. He leads a group of people - at work, church, or some other organization. High status. If a man obsesses about something trivial like Starbucks, well, then she probably thinks he's a weirdo. |
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