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Post by Emig5m on Oct 27, 2018 9:02:49 GMT -5
I find it hard to believe that a card so expensive sells out in seconds of being in stock, lol.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2018 11:56:49 GMT -5
I don't know why anyone would pay that much ($2000) on a consumer-grade video card. But if I had to guess, it's probably those Bitcoin miners buying them up.
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Post by Coolverine on Oct 27, 2018 13:04:25 GMT -5
I heard recently that cryptocurrency is down, it actually hurt AMD's stock quite a bit.
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Post by Emig5m on Oct 27, 2018 14:01:01 GMT -5
I don't know why anyone would pay that much ($2000) on a consumer-grade video card. But if I had to guess, it's probably those Bitcoin miners buying them up. $2000? The best one (MSI Gaming X Trio) is $1,249.99 at Best Buy/$1,299.99 Newegg). Expensive, but a far cry from $2000 (unless buying from scalpers on Fleabay). But still expensive and shocking that they sell out right away and have what appears to be a line of people waiting for them.....they must not make many of them to begin with which makes it seem like they're more in demand than they actually are. So maybe there's more than five being made.....five per graphics card manufacturer...lol. Forget $2000, I find it shocking that they're selling out at "only" $1300. I'd love to know what the actual numbers are of how many have been sold. Can't be that many? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2018 14:35:21 GMT -5
I don't know why anyone would pay that much ($2000) on a consumer-grade video card. But if I had to guess, it's probably those Bitcoin miners buying them up. $2000? The best one (MSI Gaming X Trio) is $1,249.99 at Best Buy/$1,299.99 Newegg). Expensive, but a far cry from $2000 (unless buying from scalpers on Fleabay). But still expensive and shocking that they sell out right away and have what appears to be a line of people waiting for them.....they must not make many of them to begin with which makes it seem like they're more in demand than they actually are. So maybe there's more than five being made.....five per graphics card manufacturer...lol. Forget $2000, I find it shocking that they're selling out at "only" $1300. I'd love to know what the actual numbers are of how many have been sold. Can't be that many? Those are the sold out prices. I was talking about if you want one now. lol |
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Post by Coolverine on Oct 27, 2018 15:07:48 GMT -5
I was lucky to get a GTX 1070 for $374 in 2017, I almost thought about selling it when they were in short supply and going for $700-$800 (actually might've been more like $600, don't quite remember).
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Post by Babel-17 on Oct 27, 2018 18:48:45 GMT -5
EVGA just announced a two slot, two fan, non-A stock gpu, RTX 2080 Ti, for a thousand dollars. Very interesting, and it will no doubt get tested to see how high it can clock before hitting temperature, power, or voltage, limits. "Auto Notify" so maybe this is partly about nVidia now being able to say "See, we told you they'll be starting at a thousand bucks." www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=11G-P4-2281-KRThe non-A versions of the chip presumably would otherwise go unsold, or get earmarked for commercial use, if the AIB partners weren't marketing them. I'm assuming nVidia has their reasons for not offering more than the Founders Edition cards. The RTX 2070 non-A chip cards aren't bad, just a tad slower on average. We'll see what's what on these much larger chips once one of these cards gets reviewed. |
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Post by Emig5m on Oct 27, 2018 22:06:18 GMT -5
What are non A versions? I just want the most solid upgrade from my Strix OC Tripple fan 1080 GTX.
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Post by ForRealTho on Oct 28, 2018 14:27:07 GMT -5
What are non A versions? I just want the most solid upgrade from my Strix OC Tripple fan 1080 GTX. Just curious have you had any FPS drops? You doing crazy 8k gaming or something? I'm really happy with my 1070 and haven't felt the urge to upgrade. Not that I really could till the 20X0 series laptops become available. I read a bit about the RTX stuff and it doesn't even work yet. |
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Post by Babel-17 on Oct 28, 2018 15:07:15 GMT -5
What are non A versions? I just want the most solid upgrade from my Strix OC Tripple fan 1080 GTX. Physically they are no different than those nVidia labeled with an "A".
Any card that advertises itself as having above reference speeds on the GPU, and the FE cards are above reference, have "A" chips.
If you see a card that has reference speeds it very likely has a non-A GPU. Presumably nVidia did some binning.
There are reviews of cards that have the non-A RTX 2070. It's about what I expected.
Upgrading from a GTX 1080 means that the RTX 2070 doesn't offer enough of an improvement, imo, except in Vulkan based games where Turing cards excel. I guess wait for RTX 2080s to come down in price, and also see how the non-A 2080s perform and are priced, unless you want to bite the bullet like I did.
1200 bucks for a 2080 Ti just hurts, and the only way that price comes down is if nVidia ignores supply and demand and lowers their prices, and insists their partners don't charge what they can easily get. Though if nVidia is now getting better yields, then they might be more inclined to drop prices anyway.
The non-A 2080 Ti is very interesting at 200 dollars less than it's A version siblings. Though the RTX 2070 at 500 dollars has the same percentage drop from the 600 dollar price of the FE version, and the going price of factory overclocked versions.
People thinking of paying close to nine hundred bucks for the most premium of 2080 cards might crunch the numbers and think that for a hundred bucks or so more they'd be getting a sizeable bump in performance by getting a non-A 2080 Ti instead.
There aren't any no-brainers here, imo. I went with the RTX 2080 partly because it will allow me to more easily justify to myself another upgrade when a new generation of improved cards come along. 
Pretty happy with my RTX 2080 FE for what it's worth. I had a 1070 FE that was a good overclocker, for what that's worth.
Btw, do you have a mobo with steel reinforced PCI-E slots for the videocards? My H170 Pro doesn't, and that made me leery of getting one of the jumbo 2080s like MSI's Trio. I had that one reserved, as it came with a reinforcement brace, but I changed my mind as it was only meh when it came to overclocking, even though it had the beefed up power delivery system that you'd expect by having a second eight pin connector, instead of just a six and a eight.
My case could handle the length, so that wasn't an issue, but for others it might butt into the hard drive enclosures.
Another to consider is that even the cards with beefed up power were still using nVidia's stock bios. but now EVGA has released a bios, which is default on its newer ones, that take advantage of higher power limits.
Almost hilariously though, it seems that that's not much help in overclocking. But then again, once games start using using ray tracing, and the tensor cores for anti-aliasing, that extra power might find a real use.
If going EVGA or ASUS look carefully at the versions they offer. The heavier/wider cards offer substantially better cooling, which is important for maintaining boost speeds, and keeping the decibels low. But they are heavy, and could cause sag in a non-reinforced mobo.
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Post by Emig5m on Oct 28, 2018 22:03:09 GMT -5
Just curious have you had any FPS drops? You doing crazy 8k gaming or something? I'm really happy with my 1070 and haven't felt the urge to upgrade. Not that I really could till the 20X0 series laptops become available. I read a bit about the RTX stuff and it doesn't even work yet.
I have a high refresh Gsync monitor (165hz). High FPS really does lower input lag and takes the "feel" of weight off your control input and I like to play at as high of settings as I can. No (modern) game on any video card would be playable at 8k for me. I game at 1440p and my 1080GTX will sometimes dip below 60fps on Shadow of the Tomb Raider in certain parts of the game at max graphics settings. For online games, I try to target a minimum of 120fps (I play UT at 150fps) which means I can't play at max graphics settings. I basically want to have my cake and eat it too.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2018 18:17:28 GMT -5
It's your money, so do what you like with it.
But my humble suggestion... I wouldn't pay more than retail. Wait a year if you have to and likely you'd be rewarded with a selection of better video cards for considerably cheaper.
If the money's burning holes in your pocket, maybe spend it on another arcade cabinet (something that could appreciate in value).
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Post by Babel-17 on Oct 30, 2018 17:11:15 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2018 17:49:01 GMT -5
That's unacceptable for product with such high premium pricing. Reminds of how the industry flooded the market with shitty (i.e. backlight bleed galore) and insanely overpriced Gsync monitors.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2018 20:47:42 GMT -5
Just curious have you had any FPS drops? You doing crazy 8k gaming or something? I'm really happy with my 1070 and haven't felt the urge to upgrade. Not that I really could till the 20X0 series laptops become available. I read a bit about the RTX stuff and it doesn't even work yet.
I have a high refresh Gsync monitor (165hz). High FPS really does lower input lag and takes the "feel" of weight off your control input and I like to play at as high of settings as I can. No (modern) game on any video card would be playable at 8k for me. I game at 1440p and my 1080GTX will sometimes dip below 60fps on Shadow of the Tomb Raider in certain parts of the game at max graphics settings. For online games, I try to target a minimum of 120fps (I play UT at 150fps) which means I can't play at max graphics settings. I basically want to have my cake and eat it too.
Sorry to put a damper on this. But it sounds like you won't get that kind of performance out of an RTX2080 with its new features turned on. In other words, you're not going to be using the max graphics settings of this card, if you want fps significantly north of 60 on the latest games (like Metro Exodus). See article below. www.rockpapershotgun.com/2018/08/22/nvidia-turing-rtx-2080-performance-target-metro-exodus/ |
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Post by Emig5m on Nov 16, 2018 9:17:10 GMT -5
I have a high refresh Gsync monitor (165hz). High FPS really does lower input lag and takes the "feel" of weight off your control input and I like to play at as high of settings as I can. No (modern) game on any video card would be playable at 8k for me. I game at 1440p and my 1080GTX will sometimes dip below 60fps on Shadow of the Tomb Raider in certain parts of the game at max graphics settings. For online games, I try to target a minimum of 120fps (I play UT at 150fps) which means I can't play at max graphics settings. I basically want to have my cake and eat it too.
Sorry to put a damper on this. But it sounds like you won't get that kind of performance out of an RTX2080 with its new features turned on. In other words, you're not going to be using the max graphics settings of this card, if you want fps significantly north of 60 on the latest games (like Metro Exodus). See article below. www.rockpapershotgun.com/2018/08/22/nvidia-turing-rtx-2080-performance-target-metro-exodus/I probably wouldn't use raytracing just like I didn't use antialiasing on the Voodoo5 for the same exact reason (sorry, didn't read your link yet if this is what you're referring to)...... Either way, I'm most likely going to skip the 20 series and tuff it out with my OC'd 1080.... These new cards are pretty damned expensive to upgrade to when you already have a previous gen card. But my mind changes by the day, and sometimes I just get bored and want a new toy so..... the plan now is to skip it but.... don't be surprised if I went and picked up a 2080ti on the whim....I'm funny like that....I rarely plan stuff out and mostly do stuff completely on the whim and out of the blue...lol.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2018 13:40:12 GMT -5
I probably wouldn't use raytracing just like I didn't use antialiasing on the Voodoo5 for the same exact reason (sorry, didn't read your link yet if this is what you're referring to)...... Either way, I'm most likely going to skip the 20 series and tuff it out with my OC'd 1080.... These new cards are pretty damned expensive to upgrade to when you already have a previous gen card. But my mind changes by the day, and sometimes I just get bored and want a new toy so..... the plan now is to skip it but.... don't be surprised if I went and picked up a 2080ti on the whim....I'm funny like that....I rarely plan stuff out and mostly do stuff completely on the whim and out of the blue...lol.
Spend your money (if you have the cash... forget credit) on what makes you happy. Just remember, being an early adopter has its cons. Being an early adopter makes you the guinea pig, testing new products that still have kinks or defects to be worked out (like the Forbes article that Babel-17 pointed out). Maybe better to wait for the next revision of this card. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2018 15:41:57 GMT -5
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Post by Emig5m on Nov 25, 2018 21:19:17 GMT -5
LMFAO!!!!!!!!! Nailed it!!!! 
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2018 18:31:22 GMT -5
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Post by Emig5m on Nov 28, 2018 11:31:06 GMT -5
That's EXACTLY why I'm still running the 388.13 drivers on my 1080GTX! Again, Nailed it! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2018 15:46:58 GMT -5
Perhaps the most disturbing are the BPA lining of canned foods and growth hormone & antibiotics pumped into meats (i.e. cows, chickens that we eventually purchase in the grocery stores and consume). Because that shit basically puts an expiration date on our balls (it's why Low Testosterone is so common these days). Some ppl believe it's planned... a left-wing conspiracy to feminize men and make us more passive & docile.  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2018 20:18:07 GMT -5
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Post by Emig5m on Dec 6, 2018 23:58:29 GMT -5
I actually got multiple email alerts today about them being in stock and I actually had the exact model that I wanted in my online cart at BHPhoto (ROG Tripple fan OC) but.....I chickened out, lol. Someone on the nvidia forum said that for my setup (1440p/144Hz 6700k@4.4Ghz) that a 2080 TI would be overkill (I don't really have the CPU and high enough res to push and take advantage of it?) and that a regular 2080 would be a better choice for me, opinion? Right now in a game I'm at least trying to get a solid 120fps to where I drop down to 90fps my CPU usage spikes at 58% so I would like to think I have enough CPU power on tap? But even so, would I see a good jump in performance just with a regular 2080 OC? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2018 14:01:43 GMT -5
It might even be a good idea to hold out until 2020, when the next gen consoles will likely be released. Because, as you know, most PC games are console ports and it would be ideal to have a PC/gpu that can at least match the performance of consoles on the market at that time. slackercentral.freeforums.net/post/9648/thread |
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Post by Emig5m on Dec 7, 2018 14:08:14 GMT -5
I'm actually posting benchmarks higher than RXT 2080's (non TI) doing google searches on Shadow of the Tomb Raider Benchmarks... 2080 on the right (1440p): (Left is 1070's SLI'd just a FYI)
Here's mine with a lesser CPU even AND higher graphics settings (also 1440p):  I thought the regular 2080 should be at 1080TI or more speeds? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2018 14:16:42 GMT -5
Differences in drivers optimization/performance? Try using the latest drivers for your card and see if your setup still beats the 2080. |
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Post by Emig5m on Dec 7, 2018 14:20:05 GMT -5
Differences in drivers optimization/performance? Try using the latest drivers for 1080Ti and see if your setup still beats the 2080. I don't know if you caught my edit but I accidentally posted the 1080TI screenshot in place of mine which was running 4k anyway, I fixed my post, lol.
BTW, I'm using the latest drivers (417.22) as you can see in my screenshot and something I don't normally change often but wanted to test out and they've been working great in every aspect so I'm going to continue running them.
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