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Post by Ambience on Jan 25, 2018 11:01:59 GMT -5
p.s. I'm an ancient 40 years old now.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2018 13:53:55 GMT -5
As a owner of two 4k TVs I think 4k is pointless until you get to at least over 32" and it takes a shit ton of GPU power and turning settings down to get 60fps. My 43" 4k was just perfect at 3ft sitting distance and these new 27" 4k gaming monitors are going to be a total waste of GPU power because I think 1440p is more ideal for 27". My 75" is a top dog P series Vizio with HDR10/Dolby Vision with 128 zone local dimming and I played Horizon Zero Dawn in HDR and I didn't see anything overly impressive with HDR over standard. I personally would skip these new 4k HDR monitors coming out and just get a standard 1440p if you're not going to at least have a screen size of over 32". Those "accurate" presets are anything but accurate. If I look at a picture I've taken personally, I know what it should look like (i.e. the white in my dirt bike shouldn't have a red or green tint for example). I like to use quality photos (and video) I've taken personally when setting up a displays color. I wonder how old Ambience is? I feel like I'm better at twitch fragging now than I ever was! I also must be a high sensitivity player (12cm/360). I find low sens wears and tires me out very quick from all the immense arm movement and it didn't really help my aim at all and actually it made it worse because I had to move so far to turn and playing UT deathmatch you always have to be able to do a quick 180 to defend your ass and low sens feels like playing ping pong with 30lb weights on your hands, heh. Based on what you're saying, that would mean Sony is just pretending that the PS4 is a 4K capable console. Because you know that mid to high end PC's are more powerful. |
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Post by Emig5m on Jan 26, 2018 4:12:18 GMT -5
p.s. I'm an ancient 40 years old now. I'm exactly 40 too and like I said, I feel like I'm fragging better than I ever have (not gonna lie, it's probably been since the CRT/UT2004 days since I've played on a lag free monitor - that was when I was top 5 ranked in the worldwide deathmatch stats). These are the types of comments I'm getting right now in the new UT Alpha during and after matches since I've got this new monitor...lol...     When I'm getting a score of 60 kills and 2 deaths in a DM match and the next person down is 30 kills and 20 deaths and worse and worse from there...they get skeptical....lol. But back in the heyday, in free for all deathmatch I was one of the best in UT2004....  But I like the new UT Alpha so much more.....I'm totally addicted to it....the gameplay is the best raw deathmatch out of any of the UT games I've played (which is all of them) and makes UT2004 seem like total shit. You guys should install it (it's free) and come play against me. Everyone on this forum can team up vs me....lol. I feel like I'm back on my A game.... I really didn't realize how bad those TV's and old LCD monitors where treating me these past so many years until I got this new one...hehe...  Well, for a while there I didn't play any games online and said that I wasn't going to play online games anymore....got tired of dealing with the assholes and actual cheaters (cheating was real bad in UT2004 because the creators of the bots had a personal agenda against Epic games and they where on a mission to ruin the game for everyone else) |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 14:56:08 GMT -5
Picked up a Asus PG279Q 144/165hz Gsync Monitor. Initial impressions: 1) It's tiny. 2) The reduction in input latency HELPS A TON in fast paced first person shooters like Unreal Tournament. 3) The back light bleed problem with this monitor is true, however you can't notice it unless you're in a very dark scene or solid black. 4) Black levels are nowhere near as good as my 4k displays with VA panels (the Asus is a IPS) 6) Initial image quality is garbage and it's 100% necessary to use the nvidia control panel to assist in getting accurate and vivid colors along with good contrast. This is kind of a turn off to me. 7) The built in speaker(s) is Asus trolling you. It's so bad that it makes my cell phone (S7) sound like a high end stereo. 8) Gsync is a total gimmick if you have a high end GPU. I find it better to adjust your graphics to get as much framerate as possible and just use 'fast sync' in the control panel rather than crank on the graphics to ultra on a lesser GPU and have it stay some-what consistent at low framerate. In other words, save money on a non Gsync high refresh rate monitor and put the saving towards a real GPU (1080 GTX and up) 9) 1440p on a 27" doesn't look as sharp and perfect as 4k on a 43" 10) Overpriced for down sides that you have to take in for the plus sides. I think this monitor would be OK for about $250 without the Gsync gimmick. Hell, my 43" 4k TV with superior image quality and smart TV capability and better sounding speakers (I like to crash out sometimes to watching a Youtube video and otherwise only have headphones at the desktop system) and this gaming monitor sells on sale for $700 really not work the price although I do remember paying that much back in the day for a 21" Sony Trinitron CRT but when 40+ inch 4k screens are selling for sub $300....well...there ya have it. You're paying the price response time only. Image quality is mediocre, and boy if this IPS panel is suppose to have better colors and overall image quality to the TN models I would of really hated them, lol. Not sure if I'm going to keep it or not. Sure I could try to play the lottery again and swap it for another to try to get one without the back light bleed, but then I could get one with dead pixels or no improvement. It's like you can't get a perfect display right now and you have to pick your poisons wisely. Small, quick, and ugly, or large, slow, and great looking. I would be happy if either one of my 4k displays did 120hz at 1440p because although 120hz is fairly adequate to play a twitch shooter online, 1080p on a large display rendering real time graphics is just too chunky looking. But it is commendable that a large 75" home theater display can do 120Hz if you're willing to lower your resolution down to 1080p. It's just not very comfortable trying to sit on a couch using a mouse and keyboard, heh. Anyway, these high refresh rate monitors are legit for helping your gameplay. These technologies such as freesync and Gsync seem like unneeded gimmicks to ramp up the costs. TN panels weren't all that bad. I think the real issue is that IPS started out much better (as far as quality control). then quality dropped off, generally speaking for many if not most models... after the Japanese companies - Sony, NEC, etc. dropped out of the mainstream monitor market and the Korean & Chinese companies took over. Consumers voted with their $'s and low price beat quality. Of course, since the Japanese competition is mostly out of the way, prices have been creeping back up over the years. A while ago, I had an early LCD monitor 16:10 w/ IPS panel from Sony and it was really good. It had vivid colors, clarity, and no trace of backlight bleed at all. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 15:05:08 GMT -5
"7) The built in speaker(s) is Asus trolling you."
My monitor's built in speakers sounded absolutely terrible with "DTS" set to On (which was the default setting i think). Sounds ok with DTS off. If your monitor has DTS, try turning it off and see if that helps.
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Post by Emig5m on Jan 26, 2018 19:53:54 GMT -5
Nah, all the reviews even say the built in speaker is poor. I'm just trying to figure out which route I want to go for a speaker setup:
1) Soundbar. Cheap but poor sound quality (from what I'm used to using owning B&W loudspeakers and Sennheiser headphones).
2) PC/gaming speakers...somewhat the same issue as above as they always seem to make a very distorted one tone muddy bass to trick people into thinking it's a lot of bass (for its size) but it's really just a bunch of tubby distortion.
3) A set of true hi-fi bookshelf speakers (B&W 686 for example) with a cheap audio video receiver or two channel amp. This will give the best sound quality and clarity without all the distortion of the above two routes but will cost about 5x more and I would have to wait and save up and/or sell some stuff to fund it when I could go the first two routes fairly right away.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 20:21:17 GMT -5
I've been considering similar options for my setup. These Klipsch 2-way speakers seem like a good choice for a PC setup. There's no need for an external amp, because they have built-in 100Watt per channel amps. Also, it has a connection for a powered subwoofer. Personally, I'd lean towards the options like this with less clutter, since I don't have room on my desk for an external amp. www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1302750-REG/klipsch_1063287_the_sixes_walnut_veneer.html |
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Post by ForRealTho on Jan 26, 2018 21:47:41 GMT -5
headphones will always be best for competitive gaming.
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Post by Emig5m on Jan 26, 2018 22:00:03 GMT -5
headphones will always be best for competitive gaming. Yea but I want something for TV watching (Netflix, SlingTV, Youtube, etc, and some occasional music listening) while lying in bed. I get tired of wearing headphones (even though they're superior for competitive gaming) all the time. A soundbar or upper end PC speaker would probably suffice for TV but would suck for music. |
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Post by Emig5m on Jan 26, 2018 22:04:40 GMT -5
I've been considering similar options for my setup. These Klipsch 2-way speakers seem like a good choice for a PC setup. There's no need for an external amp, because they have built-in 100Watt per channel amps. Also, it has a connection for a powered subwoofer. Personally, I'd lean towards the options like this with less clutter, since I don't have room on my desk for an external amp. www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1302750-REG/klipsch_1063287_the_sixes_walnut_veneer.htmlInteresting.... Digital and USB sound input and everything... But of course the black ones are full price ($200 more). I like to keep all of my electronics black. My desk is even black. Of course the walnut can be painted black easily (I've done it to speakers before, lol). |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 23:09:45 GMT -5
Here's a gaming soundbar packed with features and connectivity options. And if you need more RGB lighting, you can't go wrong here.  www.amazon.com/dp/B01M5G07KF?tag=viglink20248-20Edit: Newegg's price is a bit cheaper. I've noticed they're usually slower (up to several days) on delivery than Amazon (especially if you have Prime w/ 2-day delivery). However, Newegg returns process is pretty good if you need to send an item back and they're not as likely to hit you with a return fee (if you give a valid reason for the return). www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=1B4-00BN-00012&ignorebbr=1 |
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Post by Emig5m on Jan 26, 2018 23:53:20 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2018 0:09:35 GMT -5
The RPM150M's offer better highs than the self-powered "Sixes". Lows not quite as low compared to the Sixes, but close. Yeah, you'll get better sound from speakers paired with an AVR. Probably the way to go if that fits your budget and you have the space for it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2018 12:09:22 GMT -5
The Yamaha 383 seems to have more features overall. But as far as output (power and low distortion) to the speaker, the Pioneer 532 actually has the edge.
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Power Output (20Hz-40kHz, .08% THD @ 8 ohm 2ch Driven): 80 W/ch
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Power Output (20Hz-20kHz, .09% THD @ 8 ohm 2ch Driven): 70 W/ch
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Post by Emig5m on Jan 28, 2018 14:05:07 GMT -5
The Yamaha 383 seems to have more features overall. But as far as output (power and low distortion) to the speaker, the Pioneer 532 actually has the edge. Pioneer 532: Power Output (20Hz-40kHz, .08% THD @ 8 ohm 2ch Driven): 80 W/ch Yamaha 383: Power Output (20Hz-20kHz, .09% THD @ 8 ohm 2ch Driven): 70 W/ch ^I don't think you could perceive the difference between those two specs as they're too close to matter. As of now my father is going to give me a old Onkyo AVR with digital optical input to use for now. I'm trying to keep adding speakers to the PC as cheap as possible while getting the best sound for the buck so I'll try this old AVR first (don't know the model, but I don't think it even has HDMI). The AVR has been sitting outside in a storage bin for about a year so it might even be in my best interest to get a brand new AVR. I've pretty much settled on the Klipsch RP-150M as I don't think you're going to beat them at the sale price and I think I get free one day shipping from BHPhoto since I'm the next state over. I will say on the low end budget receivers my experience from owning many different brands over the years is that Yamaha tends to have the best sound quality on a budget and stay far away from Sony! lol. I'd probably go for the Yamaha even if a few buck more because I trust the brand in the budget price bracket. |
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Post by Emig5m on Jan 28, 2018 14:49:47 GMT -5
Ok, the model of the AVR my father is going to give me is a Onkyo SR-TX576 (2008 model). Has HDMI but no DTS Master Audio or Dolby HD passthrough but I would probably only be using it in stereo with the possibility of adding a sub later. Going to research this AVR, it might be good enough for the PC. My main fear is that I know capacitors have a shelf life and start to degrade performance whether it be in a CRT or crossover network. BHphoto does indeed do free shipping to me and they do have the Yamaha in stock for $279. The Yamaha AVR and the Klipsch speakers would still be a little cheaper than just the B&W speakers I was considering so I still *might* jump on the new AVR.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2018 18:16:08 GMT -5
The Yamaha 383 seems to have more features overall. But as far as output (power and low distortion) to the speaker, the Pioneer 532 actually has the edge. Pioneer 532: Power Output (20Hz-40kHz, .08% THD @ 8 ohm 2ch Driven): 80 W/ch Yamaha 383: Power Output (20Hz-20kHz, .09% THD @ 8 ohm 2ch Driven): 70 W/ch ^I don't think you could perceive the difference between those two specs as they're too close to matter. As of now my father is going to give me a old Onkyo AVR with digital optical input to use for now. I'm trying to keep adding speakers to the PC as cheap as possible while getting the best sound for the buck so I'll try this old AVR first (don't know the model, but I don't think it even has HDMI). The AVR has been sitting outside in a storage bin for about a year so it might even be in my best interest to get a brand new AVR. I've pretty much settled on the Klipsch RP-150M as I don't think you're going to beat them at the sale price and I think I get free one day shipping from BHPhoto since I'm the next state over. I will say on the low end budget receivers my experience from owning many different brands over the years is that Yamaha tends to have the best sound quality on a budget and stay far away from Sony! lol. I'd probably go for the Yamaha even if a few buck more because I trust the brand in the budget price bracket. Sony (and Bose) have had a bad rep going all the back to 90's (at least, if not earlier). I worked at Best Buy in the early to mid 90's, so I was around electronics and ppl were saying the same sort of things about those brands all the way back then. Not saying I disagree necessarily with your and their opinions. However, sometimes things change, for the better or worse, even if ppl remain set in their opinions and brands they like or dislike. Sony's STR-DN1080 AVR has been receiving very positive reviews all over the place. Granted, it's nearly twice the price as the Yamaha 383. But still priced low enough to generally be considered in the budget category. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2018 18:33:01 GMT -5
If you're looking for speaker stands, the VTI's appear to be a solid option. Their stands are made out of cast iron.  Evidently, the added weight of iron means the stands aren't as easy to knock over (which is especially good for homes w/ pets). Also, the stands can be filled with sand to dampen vibration/distortion. www.standsandmounts.com/vtirfseriescastiron36inchspeakerstandsrf36.aspx |
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Post by Emig5m on Jan 29, 2018 22:56:53 GMT -5
They'll be going on the desktop. My speakers are due to arrive tomorrow. I can't wait to be a first time Klipsch owner and see how they perform and owning B&W (800 and 600 series) they have some tough competition. I also wonder if my Audyssey mic from my Denon X4000 will work on that Onkyo because the mic isn't with it and hope I have a remote laying around that I can program to run the Onkyo because the remote isn't with it either.
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Post by ForRealTho on Jan 30, 2018 0:00:08 GMT -5
They'll be going on the desktop. My speakers are due to arrive tomorrow. I can't wait to be a first time Klipsch owner and see how they perform and owning B&W (800 and 600 series) they have some tough competition. I also wonder if my Audyssey mic from my Denon X4000 will work on that Onkyo because the mic isn't with it and hope I have a remote laying around that I can program to run the Onkyo because the remote isn't with it either. I have never owned Klipsch but people either love them or hate them. If I was in the market for TV speakers I would wait and get the Sennheiser soundbar www.trustedreviews.com/reviews/sennheiser-ambeo-3d-soundbar |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2018 9:03:29 GMT -5
They'll be going on the desktop. My speakers are due to arrive tomorrow. I can't wait to be a first time Klipsch owner and see how they perform and owning B&W (800 and 600 series) they have some tough competition. I also wonder if my Audyssey mic from my Denon X4000 will work on that Onkyo because the mic isn't with it and hope I have a remote laying around that I can program to run the Onkyo because the remote isn't with it either. I have never owned Klipsch but people either love them or hate them. If I was in the market for TV speakers I would wait and get the Sennheiser soundbar www.trustedreviews.com/reviews/sennheiser-ambeo-3d-soundbarLooks impressive. Price could be a concern for some ppl. The higher end 3D soundbars from Sony and Samsung are priced over $1000, and they don't look as impressive as the Sennheiser soundbar (prototype). I understand why there's a market for them. They offer compactness & aesthetics (of not having multiple speakers, avr, and wires). |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2018 10:12:38 GMT -5
They'll be going on the desktop. My speakers are due to arrive tomorrow. I can't wait to be a first time Klipsch owner and see how they perform and owning B&W (800 and 600 series) they have some tough competition. I also wonder if my Audyssey mic from my Denon X4000 will work on that Onkyo because the mic isn't with it and hope I have a remote laying around that I can program to run the Onkyo because the remote isn't with it either. Not sure I'd call that fair competition, unless you got the B&W's used & for cheap. That would be amazing if the Klipsch RP-150M paired with a rusty hand-me-down Onkyo avr sounded anywhere near as good as the B&W 800 paired to a Denon x4000. Obviously, I don't know how much you paid for them. However, on B&W's own site, they describe the 800 series as a flagship model. www.bowers-wilkins.com/Speakers/Home_Audio/800_Series_Diamond/800-D3.html |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2018 18:04:58 GMT -5
Back to the monitor topic (for now). I read on other forums that "bias lighting" can help improve your experience (somehow improve your perception of the screen's contrast, anyway) with bright LED displays. Possibly snake oil, but I'm going to give it a try with my new 55" 4K tv. I ordered these. www.amazon.com/gp/product/B076X89GRW/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1The "pro tip" is to make sure the bias lighting USB LED's produce White light rated 6500K. |
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Post by Emig5m on Feb 5, 2018 14:06:27 GMT -5
They'll be going on the desktop. My speakers are due to arrive tomorrow. I can't wait to be a first time Klipsch owner and see how they perform and owning B&W (800 and 600 series) they have some tough competition. I also wonder if my Audyssey mic from my Denon X4000 will work on that Onkyo because the mic isn't with it and hope I have a remote laying around that I can program to run the Onkyo because the remote isn't with it either. Not sure I'd call that fair competition, unless you got the B&W's used & for cheap. That would be amazing if the Klipsch RP-150M paired with a rusty hand-me-down Onkyo avr sounded anywhere near as good as the B&W 800 paired to a Denon x4000. Obviously, I don't know how much you paid for them. However, on B&W's own site, they describe the 800 series as a flagship model. www.bowers-wilkins.com/Speakers/Home_Audio/800_Series_Diamond/800-D3.htmlMine are the older 804S 2008 era with the aluminum dome tweeter and Kevlar FST midrange. I got them brand new but with a steep discount since I bought them a couple months before they where discontinued for a model refresh (adding the Diamond dome tweeter.) The new B&W 800 series are WAY out of my price range now and if it wasn't for the deep discount that I got (I paid brand new what they're still selling for used right now) I would of never got them. I really can't give an accurate comment on the Klipsches as I'm using that old Onkyo that I'm not familiar with and I used the Audyssey mic that came with my Denon X4000 to run the auto calibration and I'm not sure if there is differences in the mics between brands and models that far apart. To really get a fair comparison I would have to unmount my B&W 685 bookshelf speakers from the rear wall of my home theater system and run them back to back with the Klipsch on my main system but unmounting speakers and rerunning the calibration process for each speaker and then again once I put everything back to normal would kinda be a pain in the anal gland. But I will say that the Klipsch speakers has every bit of fine detail up top, maybe even more, but seem to lack midrange clarity and detail compared to B&W's and because of this, lead guitar or male vocals suffer. Bass is OK. One strong point of the Klipsch is the imaging. Just two speakers when watching a movie sounds like a full surround system with speakers in the back. If I could choose to fix two things in the Klipsch it would be the lack of midrange detail (compared to the B&Ws) and make the tweeter sound a little more natural (but this could be the side effect from lack of midrange). Again, using a rusty old Onkyo AVR with a Audyssey mic of unkown compatibility. I've read some models you can interchange mics from other models and some you can't so this isn't an accurate judgment of the Klipsch. I did find a brand new (aftermarket/knockoff) remote for the Onkyo: www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06XBX86SZ/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 Works great and maybe I should try to source the original model Audyssey mic for it. I should give Audyssey a call and see if the mic from my X4000 is compatible with the TX-SR576. |
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Post by Emig5m on Feb 5, 2018 14:27:40 GMT -5
Back to the monitor topic (for now). I read on other forums that "bias lighting" can help improve your experience (somehow improve your perception of the screen's contrast, anyway) with bright LED displays. Possibly snake oil, but I'm going to give it a try with my new 55" 4K tv. I ordered these. www.amazon.com/gp/product/B076X89GRW/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1The "pro tip" is to make sure the bias lighting USB LED's produce White light rated 6500K. Never felt the need for more contrast but like the idea of trying some ambient light behind the display. And back to the monitor topic? Yea, this Asus 144hz really was a game changer....kickin' bitches asses to the point most people think I cheat now...lol..      Of course, good hardware is only one step of the equation....skills are required too like a good race car needs a good driver to maximize the pwnage effect....hehe. And half the time I just fuck around...jump on a server and only use one weapon....lol...  Double damage + Link gun = Some serious sexual abuse, lol.... |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2018 19:09:35 GMT -5
Yeah, I figure it's probably true that having some ambient lighting behind your tv/monitor is easier on your eyes, because I've heard about this elsewhere. For whatever reason, it appears that the XL one (for 55" - 75" TVs) isn't currently available at Amazon. It's still sold direct on the manufacturer website though. powerpractical.com/products/luminoodle-bias-lighting?variant=1296455565337 |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2018 18:31:46 GMT -5
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Well, for a while there I didn't play any games online and said that I wasn't going to play online games anymore....got tired of dealing with the assholes and actual cheaters (cheating was real bad in UT2004 because the creators of the bots had a personal agenda against Epic games and they where on a mission to ruin the game for everyone else)
Evidently, the added weight of iron means the stands aren't as easy to knock over (which is especially good for homes w/ pets). Also, the stands can be filled with sand to dampen vibration/distortion.