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Post by Babel-17 on Oct 20, 2017 17:12:02 GMT -5
120 lbs. of very good movie(s) packed into the sack with a 100 lb. limit that could have held an epic sequel. {Trivia, and a medium sized spoiler, }
Sean Young played Chani in David Lynch's Dune. In the sequel to the novel it was based on, the character she played in the original dies during childbirth, and her husband , Paul, is offered the chance to get a clone of her if he'll cooperate. Those offering this are masters of genetics, and unscrupulous manipulators, who use their constructs as slaves, often denied of free will. |
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Post by Cop on Oct 21, 2017 9:36:41 GMT -5
So you're saying it should've been even longer  |
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Post by Babel-17 on Oct 21, 2017 10:51:47 GMT -5
So you're saying it should've been even longer It could have been a Netflix mini-series. It didn't have to just end. |
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Post by Cop on Oct 21, 2017 11:20:39 GMT -5
Could you imagine a series like that, with those production values (and that music)? That would be truly amazing.
I was thinking the other day I wouldn't mind seeing what the replicant do on the off-world colonies... ...or maybe see some attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. Maybe see some C-Beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate.
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Post by Babel-17 on Oct 21, 2017 11:53:44 GMT -5
120 lbs. of very good movie(s) packed into the sack with a 100 lb. limit that could have held an epic sequel. {Trivia, and a medium sized spoiler, }
Sean Young played Chani in David Lynch's Dune. In the sequel to the novel it was based on, the character she played in the original dies during childbirth, and her husband , Paul, is offered the chance to get a clone of her if he'll cooperate. Those offering this are masters of genetics, and unscrupulous manipulators, who use their constructs as slaves, often denied of free will. P.S. Following up on that spoiler ... {CLICK FOR SPOILER}
In the Dune series powerful forces were jockeying for Control of Chani's (Sean Young's character's) children, and one of the super powers of the son was his mastery of genetic memory. The Tleilaxu, the ones who offered Paul a clone of Chani, could insert triggers into the minds of their gholas/clones. Originally so as to get Duncan Idaho's clone to murder Paul, but then later so as to cause the clone/ghola to regain their original memories. The point, I guess, being PKD and Herbert fished the same waters. Edit: Though of course PKD's DADOEL is different than Blade Runner. But the larger themes are there. Still, it would perhaps be more on point to say this sequel, and Frank Herbert, fished the same waters. As I implied, there's more than one movie lurking with Blade Runner 2049. It could have been expanded into a Netflix series, imo, especially as it didn't really end. Huh, maybe down the road?
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Post by Babel-17 on Oct 21, 2017 12:06:14 GMT -5
Could you imagine a series like that, with those production values (and that music)? That would be truly amazing. I was thinking the other day I wouldn't mind seeing what the replicant do on the off-world colonies... ...or maybe see some attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. Maybe see some C-Beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. IIRC his wording, Ridley Scott strongly implied that it's OK to think that the universes of Blade Runner and Alien have merged. Something about how one could see the Colonial Marines taking shore leave on those Blade Runner 2049 streets. P.S. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soldier_(1998_American_film)#Connection_to_Blade_Runner |
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Post by Cop on Oct 21, 2017 12:23:08 GMT -5
Seriously, FUCK Ridley Scott. He's made some amazing movies over the years but it's about time he dies before he ruins anymore of them. I attribute the integrity of the Blade Runner sequel entirely to Denis Villeneuve because Ridley no doubt would've fucked it up with the ridiculous ideas he's having of late. I mean, did you see Covenant? He's completely lost touch with reality and seems to have forgotten what made his movies great in the first place. Scott does the blowing, Denis did the fingering...
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Post by Cop on Oct 21, 2017 12:25:43 GMT -5
Oh and to tie it in with Dune. Denis Villeneuve is supposed to direct that reboot, which is a great prospect to say the least.
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Post by Babel-17 on Oct 21, 2017 18:00:30 GMT -5
Seriously, FUCK Ridley Scott. He's made some amazing movies over the years but it's about time he dies before he ruins anymore of them. I attribute the integrity of the Blade Runner sequel entirely to Denis Villeneuve because Ridley no doubt would've fucked it up with the ridiculous ideas he's having of late. I mean, did you see Covenant? He's completely lost touch with reality and seems to have forgotten what made his movies great in the first place. Scott does the blowing, Denis did the fingering... No, not yet. IIRC with Prometheus there are commentary tracks that help untangle the complications. Have you listened to any of those yet for Covenant? Anyway, yeah, a movie can represent a lot of things. There's how it was pitched, what's the source material, how it will be marketed, the studio wanting rewrites, going over budget, and people with bills to pay. A movie is also an opportunity to step in and put your imprint on it. Make a mess of that, and you might not get another chance. Play it safe, and you can still be considered a failure, or even worse, someone who loses money. Scott is probably in "fuck it" mode. People are shoveling money his way and as long as he doesn't set it on fire there will likely be people still lining up to have a chance of investing in another monster hit. Scott has wowed the action loving audiences in the past, maybe now he wants reviews praising him from the heavy weight reviewers of the world who favor intellectual films. Failing in making a good sequel might not be a failure to him, not for where he's at in terms of satisfying his desires. When he goes into his screening room, his later films might be what he's most proud of. I'd like to see some of those involved in the Blade Runner video game allowed a crack at spinning off something based on the sequel. Sean Young did some voice work on that. |
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Post by Cop on Oct 22, 2017 12:18:34 GMT -5
No, not yet. IIRC with Prometheus there are commentary tracks that help untangle the complications. Have you listened to any of those yet for Covenant? I've only seen it in the theatre. Don't think I'm even going to bother ever buying it (or indeed watching it again). It was just shit. There's no need for a commentary track to help me explain the stupidity of it all. Every single decision that crew makes it the worst possible one. You know it's bad when the pseudo-intellectual babble is the best part of the movie. I could get behind Prometheus because it was far enough away from Alien to not have an immediate impact on anything in those movies, but this one is just too disrespectful for the Alien-universe, which maybe could've been forgiven if the rest of the movie wasn't as fucking dumb. Just about every single scene can be picked apart into layers of stupidity. I was literally annoyed when I was watching it in the theatre. In my original impression I called it the worst Alien movie apart maybe from AVP2. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2017 18:55:03 GMT -5
Seriously, FUCK Ridley Scott. He's made some amazing movies over the years but it's about time he dies before he ruins anymore of them. I attribute the integrity of the Blade Runner sequel entirely to Denis Villeneuve because Ridley no doubt would've fucked it up with the ridiculous ideas he's having of late. I mean, did you see Covenant? He's completely lost touch with reality and seems to have forgotten what made his movies great in the first place. Scott does the blowing, Denis did the fingering... No, not yet. IIRC with Prometheus there are commentary tracks that help untangle the complications. Have you listened to any of those yet for Covenant? Anyway, yeah, a movie can represent a lot of things. There's how it was pitched, what's the source material, how it will be marketed, the studio wanting rewrites, going over budget, and people with bills to pay. A movie is also an opportunity to step in and put your imprint on it. Make a mess of that, and you might not get another chance. Play it safe, and you can still be considered a failure, or even worse, someone who loses money. Scott is probably in "fuck it" mode. People are shoveling money his way and as long as he doesn't set it on fire there will likely be people still lining up to have a chance of investing in another monster hit.
Scott has wowed the action loving audiences in the past, maybe now he wants reviews praising him from the heavy weight reviewers of the world who favor intellectual films.Failing in making a good sequel might not be a failure to him, not for where he's at in terms of satisfying his desires. When he goes into his screening room, his later films might be what he's most proud of. I'd like to see some of those involved in the Blade Runner video game allowed a crack at spinning off something based on the sequel. Sean Young did some voice work on that. I think the evidence & circumstances certainly back up your theory. Fans & critics did pi$$ & moan extensively about Prometheus not being a monster movie (not enough aliens). With Prometheus, you got the sense that he wanted the films to have more depth (more about the people, androids, engineers and their motivations & stories), rather than just another horror or action flick. I think you're right... he likely caved in to the opinions of fans & critics, sacrificed some of his original vision & ideas, and we ended up with a mediocre film - Covenant. |
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Post by Emig5m on Jan 7, 2018 22:12:45 GMT -5
Blade Runner 2049 is forgettable and not very great IMO. It was too long and slow with no climax. Kinda like having sex with a piece of bologna for 2 1/2 hours without an erection or orgasm while listening to Yanni in the background.
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Post by Cop on Jan 8, 2018 13:56:14 GMT -5
Heh, I watched it (again) today and only just posted about it in my movie thread. I called it: 'an amazing fucking movie in every single way'. Perfect sequel.
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Post by itsnoot on Apr 13, 2018 21:03:54 GMT -5
They need to make more movies like this. Real sets, real actors, limited green screen, limited CGI. Gorgeous movie, I cant stop watching it. Sounds better on my home theater then it did in the theater. Great writing, substories within a larger story. Did not see the twist coming until it was in front of my face. I'm an unapologetic Blade Runner fanboy, but seriously, this might be the best movie I've seen in a decade. It's a shame it tanked in the US box office.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2018 21:41:26 GMT -5
Not really a fanboy, at least not previously. But I agree with your review. It's a rare gem in Hollywood these days... They made a movie that tells an interesting story, has convincing/immersive setting and unique sound/music. imo, the best aspect of the movie is how they leave it to the audience to figure out what's going on with all of the characters (their true backgrounds & motives).
It's not another cookie-cutter film from Hollywood. The movie doesn't rely too much on flashy effects and non-stop action to cater to the general audience w/ short attention spans (i.e. Transformers, Disney Star Wars, Fast & Furious, etc.). Sadly, that's why it didn't do well at the box office.
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Post by Babel-17 on Apr 14, 2018 13:53:38 GMT -5
Could you imagine a series like that, with those production values (and that music)? That would be truly amazing. I was thinking the other day I wouldn't mind seeing what the replicant do on the off-world colonies... ...or maybe see some attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. Maybe see some C-Beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. Altered Carbon made a good attempt at that. Recommended, and it's a very good adaptation of the novel. www.imdb.com/title/tt2261227/More Trivia: In that show there's an actress named Kristin Lehman, who plays Miriam Bancroft. Anyway, a few weeks back I was watching some episodes of the 90s TV show Forever Knight, and I was struck by the Marilyn Monroe like beauty of a semi-recurring character in Season Three (the last season) and I had to check the credits and find out who she was. She really had something going on. Pretty cool to see that she was recognized as a serious talent. www.imdb.com/name/nm0005138/ |
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Post by Cop on Apr 14, 2018 17:32:33 GMT -5
I liked Altered Carbon for the most part but I thought it was a little too long for what they had to tell...
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Post by Babel-17 on Apr 15, 2018 14:09:20 GMT -5
120 lbs. of very good movie(s) packed into the sack with a 100 lb. limit that could have held an epic sequel. {Trivia, and a medium sized spoiler, }
Sean Young played Chani in David Lynch's Dune. In the sequel to the novel it was based on, the character she played in the original dies during childbirth, and her husband , Paul, is offered the chance to get a clone of her if he'll cooperate. Those offering this are masters of genetics, and unscrupulous manipulators, who use their constructs as slaves, often denied of free will. To expand on that spoiler a bit: {Regarding Sean Young}
In the movie Dune, Sean Young plays a character who, in the sequel to the book the movie is based on, dies giving birth to some very unique offspring (who can save us). Her husband is later offered, from a highly unscrupulous master of genetic engineering, the opportunity to get a sort of clone of her, in exchange for sacrificing his principles. In the movie Blade Runner 2049 Sean Young plays a character who dies giving birth to a very unique offspring (who can save us). Her husband is later offered, from a highly unscrupulous master of genetic engineering, the opportunity to get a sort of clone of her, in exchange for sacrificing his principles. I've yet to see anyone else note this. P.S. In both stories, powerful forces want control of the genetic marvels she gave birth to. |
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Post by itsnoot on Apr 15, 2018 20:11:35 GMT -5
Heres one: Was Joi sentient and loved K or was she all algorithm telling him what he wanted to hear?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2018 12:59:27 GMT -5
Heres one: Was Joi sentient and loved K or was she all algorithm telling him what he wanted to hear?
Ultimately, it's a mystery and up to the viewer to decide.
As much as we'd like to believe she was a true AI with real feelings for K, K's actions in the movie implied he concluded otherwise (or, at least, that she wasn't worth it).
My interpretation (only my opinion, of course)...
We know Joi was a product of Wallace. K knows it and the audience knows it. So K knew what she was, but he went along with it (his pretend gf) to stave off his loneliness. Joi was Wallace product, and that's why Luv was always 2 steps ahead of K. Despite his loneliness, K put 2 + 2 together and realized he shouldn't base his decisions on protecting Joi. He understood that Joi was a mere program (to tell him how he's one super dude - born into this world, a real boy w/ soul, etc., etc.) and quite possibly a virtual spy for Wallace as well.
Therefore, by the end of the movie, he sacrificed himself (and Joi in the process) to save Deckard and reunite him with his daughter. If he thought Joi was truly the love of his life, would he have so easily made such a sacrifice for somebody he only just met (Deckard)? I'm thinking probably not. But he did it, because he realized Deckard was the one & only real-life friend he ever had and Joi was another thread in the Wallace web of lies. But none of that says K didn't have inner personal conflict about what to do or the personal sacrifices he faced. He loved Joi, even knowing she was a lie, because she's all he had (for a friend and pretend gf) for x number of years.
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