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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2020 20:36:40 GMT -5
JP, before his health & mental decline, was left of center (Socialist) and he's atheist/didn't attend church, supported the theory of evolution, etc (despite being mislabeled as religious by the left, who didn't truly understand the man and just assumed he's religious, because he'd sometimes wax philosophical about religions and interpret the pros & cons, possibly lessons for humanity from their teachings. Joe Rogan interviewed Democrats, such as Andrew Yang, and atheist scientists (like Neil deGrasse Tyson), and he was just as respectful as he was with conservative guests. Based on the few videos of his I've seen, imo, the idea that this man is some kind of alt-right fruitcake is utter nonsense. Its sad to see what happened to Jordan Peterson and I thought it was cool to see a Psychologist get so popular since I have a Psychology degree as well but I don't think he would claim the socialism label if you asked him that: www.heritage.org/progressivism/commentary/jordan-peterson-explains-what-draws-people-socialismI've heard JP himself state in some of his videos on YT that he supports socialism in Canada out of necessity. You could say that he was a reluctant Socialist. This quote (from your link above) of JP's sums his basic sentiment regarding Socialism.
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Post by ForRealTho on Sept 3, 2020 11:27:15 GMT -5
Supposedly conservatives are logical and rational and liberals go on emotions but here we have 20 senators trying to ban a very safe effective pill no matter the real world consequences 'Pregnancy is not a life-threatening illness': Ted Cruz takes heat for claim in call for abortion pill ban a.msn.com/r/2/BB18Ga0N?m=en-us&referrerID=InAppShare
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Post by Cop on Sept 3, 2020 12:08:59 GMT -5
Lol, this was a funny 'Have I Got News for You' facebook post... Attachments:
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2020 14:49:05 GMT -5
I'm not aware of anyone with power on the left wanting to just throw open the borders, I don't think that is a thing. Immigration is a net plus for the economy. Elon Musk is an immigrant for example. I don't understand how immigrants can be "lazy freeloaders on welfare" while simultaneously "stealing jobs". Musk immigrated legally and he's a financial asset. Most countries prefer this type of immigrant. However, unlike the U.S., most countries don't allow massive immigration of financially destitute peoples. See, there's a double standard. The U.S. is judged most harshly by the left for having racist immigration, while the fact is that we're #1 in immigration and least discriminatory (based on either race or class). The immigration issue is not really about race though. That's the left's phony narrative to stir race wars, promote victimhood mentality, and garner more votes by making ppl feel victimized. Even with Trump (he's not opposed to brown skinned people entering the country) - he doubled immigrant visas for tech workers from India & Asia, over the Obama administration. It's actually about classism and this applies to immigration policies of most nations almost universally, but to a lesser extent in the U.S. and other western countries. So, this being the case, why does the left always complain about U.S. immigration policy and promote sanctuaries for illegal immigrants (if they're not open borders as you say)? Again, the U.S. allows by far the most immigrants legally every year over any other nation. Germany was #2 in legal immigration, the last I looked it up. Our immigration policy is the least racist and least class(ist) in the world. I personally looked into the requirements for moving to some of the central and south american countries. Guess what? They expect you to be rich & invest or be sponsored by an employer within their country. Their immigration policies are far stricter than ours. But of course, they're all happy to take in the Elon Musk types, because immigration policies are class(ist) in most (if not every) nation.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2020 15:31:43 GMT -5
imo, the wall idea was intended to draw in racist voters though. However, in Trump's mind, I think it was more about keeping those filthy poor people out. Again, his immigration policy shows he supports increasing minority immigration, as long as they work high skill, higher paying jobs (making them net taxpayers). To me, that indicates his policy isn't driven by racism, rather by classism. In the grander scheme, Trump's mindset and goals are based around making the US a more profitable, wealthier nation. Basically, he tries to run it like a business. Leftists hate that because many of them view Capitalism as evil. Capitalism has its pitfalls, as does any human institution or framework, but its necessary to some degree or another (because ppl aren't at their most productive working for peanuts... monetary incentives, that can be achieved through innovation & hard work, drive ppl to do more). In actuality tho, it's not the institutions themselves that are evil. It's the people running them, which is why you need checks & balances, regulations, and quality people (w/ integrity) running things as much as possible.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2020 16:01:31 GMT -5
I think PaleDuke (on the old forums) said that globalism (exporting our jobs & factories to other countries) is "a race to the bottom." And PD was a Democrat, if I recall correctly. Globalism takes away jobs from citizens and tightens the job market (more people competing for fewer available jobs). It's all well & good and free trade, when countries compete under the same rules. But they don't (they peg their currencies, take half ownership, steal IP's, no regs on pollution limits, and all kinds of things that are illegal here), hence validity to the race to the bottom argument. When nations compete under different sets of principals (and do certain things we don't permit ourselves to do), free trade becomes unfair trade.
Immigration can have a similar effect because immigrants are paid lower wages and given fewer benefits. The rich man pockets the difference and doesn't spend it (unlike his employees, who spend most of their incomes) and, therefore, less money circulating & economic stagnation results. The employers (of immigrants) have a "take what we give you" mentality, because they know the immigrants (including legal immigrants) have no choice. Accept lower pay, longer hours, and poor treatment. Else, the employers let their work visas expire and they're easily replaced. TechLead (Youtuber and immigrant) did a video on it - he's personally witnessed his past employers doing this sort of thing and coercing immigrant tech employees. Obviously, none of this is pro-union. It hurts the unions. Democrats would do well to recognize this if they want the union vote (that's one reason Trump won last election - he swayed many union voters).
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2020 18:47:36 GMT -5
Also, the media are owned by wealthy tycoons (who own various other businesses as well, that get a boost from cheap labor), so of course they're going to push a narrative that you're an evil racist Nazi for not supporting increased illegal immigration. They're shaming you into making them richer. Indeed, the wealthy elite have pulled the proverbial wool over Democrat voters eyes. Well, I say those Tycoons are evil for not supporting increased legal immigration & citizenship status, giving more immigrants the same rights, pay, and benefits afforded to the rest of us (citizens). They like illegal immigration not out of their kind hearts, but because they like paying low wages.
When I watched Blade Runner 2049, I could see this topic was thinly veiled and mirrored (with the Replicants being used & abused, by corporate tycoons, and not afforded the basic rights any sentient being should deserve).
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Post by ForRealTho on Sept 3, 2020 19:27:52 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2020 19:55:08 GMT -5
Unfortunately, you need audio recordings and evidence (at least, ppl willing to testify) to get presidents impeached. If there's no audio recording, Trump supporters would just assume libel (i.e. the four persons were made up and it's fake news) or the four persons chose to remain anonymous for a reason (slander).
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2020 20:18:17 GMT -5
www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-wall-idUSKBN2072M9Might be re-post, since it's from February. But it's an example of verifiable news from a fairly reliable and neutral source (Reuters), for ppl looking for reasons to not vote Trump. The wall project will never be completed. Even the sections that do get built are useless because they'd just dig tunnels under it. The money would be much better spent on scientific research. Increase NASA funding, because then at least there's a return on investment (something like an $8 return for every $1 spent).
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Post by ForRealTho on Sept 4, 2020 9:16:23 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2020 10:14:36 GMT -5
I find it difficult to see how "segregation on college campuses" can mean "institutional racism comes from the left" based off of America's history. It's racism from the left today, regardless of history. Segregation does not promote equality or unity by any stretch of the imagination. It's a form of discrimination based on skin color (x skin color ppl can go here, y skin color ppl can't go there) - it only serves to divide people and increase racism. This is true regardless of which races are preferred or which races are being prohibited. Look, I understand the left believes in white privilege and that all white ppl are systemically racist (hence, all of them aren't permitted to enter these black only zones... has nada to do with a person's character and everything to do with ethnicity). Well, then.. Where are the special zones designated for other non-white races? Where are the Latino only zones? Where are the Asian only zones? Segregation is hot garbage, dude. It is systemic because it's being pushed by the system itself. It's racist because it discriminates based on race.
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Post by ForRealTho on Sept 5, 2020 10:42:10 GMT -5
Segregation is hot garbage, dude. It is systemic because it's being pushed by the system itself. It's racist because it discriminates based on race. I'm replying on my phone waiting for an order at a restaurant so formatting might be weird. I find it amusing how worked up you are over a handful of areas at college campuses that are "black only" compared to America history of literally owning black people and then Jim Crow where the National Guard had to be called in. Reminds me of growing up in Republican Alaska and going to a family friends giant 3 story house on a lake with attached boat and the dude being like "See in school and stuff they are gonna teach you white people are bad. Clinton and his friends are doing that!". I felt so bad for the guy he was so oppressed How can a couple of "black only" areas compare to racial profiling via "driving while black" etc?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2020 11:06:54 GMT -5
Segregation is hot garbage, dude. It is systemic because it's being pushed by the system itself. It's racist because it discriminates based on race. I'm replying on my phone waiting for an order at a restaurant so formatting might be weird. I find it amusing how worked up you are over a handful of areas at college campuses that are "black only" compared to America history of literally owning black people and then Jim Crow where the National Guard had to be called in. Reminds me of growing up in Republican Alaska and going to a family friends giant 3 story house on a lake with attached boat and the dude being like "See in school and stuff they are gonna teach you white people are bad. Clinton and his friends are doing that!". I felt so bad for the guy he was so oppressed How can a couple of "black only" areas compare to racial profiling via "driving while black" etc? I didn't make the comparison to history. That's all you. There's nothing amusing about increasing hate, division and race riots across the country. This is a direct result from the left pushing the narrative of systemic racism and policies (like segregation, that promotes the idea that white ppl are inherently bad). You're only "amused" because you're trying to insinuate I'm a racist (getting "worked up"). Typical leftist shaming tactic. Avoid addressing the problems stemming from your policies and shame instead. My ex-gf's (Vietnamese family) who hailed from a Communist country absolutely despised progressive politics. They understand that these politics discriminate against Asians too. Has absolutely nothing to do with American history, from their perspective, because it's discrimination plain & simple.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2020 12:35:51 GMT -5
I'm part black and I've dated mostly minority women. Also, there was poverty on both sides of my (grandparents) families. That's why the "white privilege"/white shaming or other such tactics don't work on me.
Many of the Asian peoples come from impoverished backgrounds too (typically, due to poor socioeconomic conditions brought about by shitty political systems in their home countries). They come here and do well, despite having their full potential held back by progressive diversity policies. College admissions are actually tougher on Asian ppl than white ppl, subtracting more points from their applications (determined by the race checkbox they check on their applications). The left doesn't reward Asians with race-based bonus points because they do well enough without it. It's much harder to bribe them for their votes with government gimmie-dats, so there's very little incentive for politicians on the left to bother giving them the diversity bonus points. Asians do well because they come from cultures that promote hard work & achievement, rather than victimhood ideology.
This is a big reason why China is going to continue to mop the floor with us. You'd think we could learn something from them. Actually, if you care about history so much, know that the victor always writes history. If China wins and becomes the world's superpower, they won't look kindly on current American policy that discriminates against Asians. Don't be surprised if/when they frame western progressives as being on the wrong side of history.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2020 14:14:39 GMT -5
Didn't you know that you're privileged for being too thin? Maybe we should start giving bonus points for obesity, to level the playing field with those mean nasty people who take care of their bodies.
This goes to show you that even if everybody had the exact same skin color, they'd still find plenty of other things to bitch about and claim victim status. If it wasn't weight, it'd be height. So on & so forth.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2020 16:47:02 GMT -5
Much like the supposed "migrant caravan" that was coming to destroy the southern border or whatever these "Antifa" people being "bused in" to rural America is BS. Cops are very right wing in general and follow the same Facebook conspiracy crap most right wingers do. Due Facebook crap you get incidents like this where a family cannot even go on vacation: www.cnn.com/2020/06/09/us/washington-family-accused-antifa/index.htmlAlso I don't have the link handy but supposedly a "busload of anita" was coming to town according to some crazy Facebook group so the police in I think Chicago actually sent a helicopter to go look for it on the highway. They literally believe some insane Facebook post to the point they sent an actual helicopter. You know it has been almost 20 years since 9/11 so people are no longer afraid of Muslim terrorists like they were. Now people are afraid of "Antifa" even tho they have not been linked to a single death.www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/27/us-rightwing-extremists-attacks-deaths-database-leftwing-antifa Isn't it convenient that 5 years ago I never even heard about Antifa but now the right goes on and on and on about them because they need an enemy to rally the troops. US vs Them. www.nytimes.com/2020/09/04/us/michael-forest-reinoehl-portland.html
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Post by ForRealTho on Sept 5, 2020 19:13:07 GMT -5
Law enforcement agents in Washington State killed a suspect on Thursday night in the shooting death of a right-wing activist in Portland, Ore., last week, the latest development in the protests and counter demonstrations that have escalated tensions in the city and drawn the nation’s attention. The suspect, Michael Forest Reinoehl, 48, was shot by officers in Lacey, Wash., as they tried to arrest him, law enforcement officials said. The right-wing activist, Aaron J. Danielson, 39, had been shot five days earlier in Portland, and an arrest warrant for murder had been issued for Mr. Reinoehl earlier on Thursday.
Mr. Reinoehl’s death is also playing out during a broader confrontation between opposing visions for the nation, as protesters demanding racial justice clash with right-wing activists on the streets in events that have become increasingly politicized ahead of the presidential election. ... Mr. Reinoehl, a father of two from a Portland suburb, he said he was a vet but . He had been a familiar face at the protests for weeks, and described himself in posts on social media as an anti-fascist activist. He also previously described providing “security” at the protests. “I am 100% ANTIFA all the way!” he posted on Instagram in June, referencing the loose collection of activists that have mobilized to oppose what they see as fascism or racism. That same post was also laced with violent messages.
“We truly have an opportunity right now to fix everything,” he wrote. “But it will be a fight like no other! It will be a war and like all wars there will be casualties.” Dude is a whackjob. He also said he served in the Army but they have determined he has never been in the military. Of course he is in Portland. The only place "Antifa" has any presence. Notice he isn't wearing their clothes in the shooting video.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2020 12:27:45 GMT -5
Dude is a whackjob. He also said he served in the Army but they have determined he has never been in the military. Of course he is in Portland. The only place "Antifa" has any presence. Notice he isn't wearing their clothes in the shooting video. He claimed to be providing security for the (Antifa) protesters and stated "I'm 100% Antifa" on social media. You could be right though. It's possible he was completely delusional - and perhaps not actually a member of Antifa or officially sanctioned by any Antifa members to provide security at their event. Sadly, it seems, quite a few ex-military persons go bonkers. I guess the harsh training and service puts them through tons of psychological stress and certain % of ppl can't handle it.
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Post by ForRealTho on Sept 6, 2020 17:52:51 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2020 17:55:02 GMT -5
As far as recent events go, the extended Covid-19 lockdowns are primarily what sunk many smaller boats (companies) and threw millions of Americans out of work. Historically, the combined total of all small companies have employed the most Americans. This was true because small companies outnumbered larger companies. But the trend/policy has been directed in such a way to sink the smaller boats and reduce competition through govt (anti-Capitalist) policy, providing protections and welfare/bailouts for larger corps (while not doing the same for small companies). The larger boats stay afloat because they have larger cash reserves and many of them, such as Walmart & Amazon, were largely exempted from the govt mandated Plandemic lockdowns. The govt's response to this has been to increase spending and create the largest budget deficit since WWII (i.e. increase Socialism). chicago.suntimes.com/coronavirus/2020/9/5/21424049/congressional-budget-office-warns-largest-budget-deficit-since-1945For the past few decades, U.S. economic policy has been mostly spend + debt driven through increased borrowing and Quantitative Easing. They've increased both public & corporate welfare spending (i.e. not Capitalism), including under Trump (heard Trump's been outspending Obama by about $2 trillion/year). If the house of cards falls, it'll be thanks to excessive spending (the $154+ trillion in unfunded social security + medicare liabilities, as well as the corporate welfare... a debt to gdp ratio of 153% and rising). seekingalpha.com/article/4307705-this-is-not-capitalismusdebtclock.org/#Forbes article outlining the economic problems (reduced competition and innovation) because the number of small businesses has been shrinking. www.forbes.com/sites/johnmauldin/2019/02/12/capitalism-isnt-bad-its-just-broken/#6e5192db524cacidrayn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/2016-08-21-Crony-Capitalism-Explained.png
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2020 2:42:25 GMT -5
The Atlantic posted a photo of an injured war vet (without his permission) and tried to tie him to this story. The vet and his friend are pissed.
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