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Post by ForRealTho on Oct 10, 2020 8:51:45 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2020 13:51:35 GMT -5
A Star Trek-like future would be awesome, assuming you could solve the labor issue. Not many ppl would want to do the more menial jobs, like Janitors and Analysts. In the ST universe, everything's "free" regardless of what you do, so why would ppl choose to do menial, underappreciated tasks? Well, maybe they could create a bunch of Data-like androids and enslave them to solve that issue. There's actually a STNG episode where StarFleet put Commander Data on trial (to test his sentience and whether he deserved the same rights as sentient biological life) because they wanted to tear him down, in order to reverse engineer him and build worker androids. lol In the context of what's going on today, it appears that the left is divided into at least two major factions (with the so-called "peaceful" protesters behaving like Anarchists - looting, burning, attacking ppl in the streets - more closely resembling the Mad Max photo). I don't see the right behaving this way en masse. If you need proof of Dems dividing (and you haven't seen it because you only consume left-wing mainstream media), know that there are BLM leaders and activists accusing Biden of being a "violent white supremacist" (i.e. these BLM ppl hating on Biden are clearly a split off faction that seeks to get rid of the old guard of Dems).
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2020 14:38:46 GMT -5
WTF? Trump using the raised fist (a symbolic gesture of BLM and antifa) and the photo is in an article about a poll showing that he's capturing an unprecedented amount (nearly 20%) of the black vote (for a Republican). Mr. subliminal? lol www.breitbart.com/2020-election/2020/09/01/polls-support-for-president-trump-surges-in-black-community/imo, it's looking more and more like BLM and the race riots have become the Democratic party's achilles heel. I think part of the reason is that a large percent of black Americans oppose the race riots and want the violence to end. They see Democrat governors and mayors across the country ignoring the riots, refusing to restore law & order in their communities, and don't like it. Bear in mind, the majority of people of every race are peace-loving people and the criminals (ppl who like and/or participate in the riots) are in the minority. The Democrats dropped the ball when they didn't condemn criminal behavior, autonomous zones, and the like. As stated in the "Trump" thread, Obama didn't make that mistake during his presidency. That's probably because Obama isn't a racist and he knows that most black ppl are peace-loving (hence, he chose to appease the peace-loving majority, rather than the minority criminals, and he condemned violence & criminal behavior, despite facing backlash & being labeled "Uncle Tom" by a small % of black Americans).
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Post by Ronhel on Oct 10, 2020 15:25:10 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2020 15:54:58 GMT -5
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Post by ForRealTho on Oct 10, 2020 18:01:08 GMT -5
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Post by ForRealTho on Oct 11, 2020 9:35:55 GMT -5
(and you haven't seen it because you only consume left-wing mainstream media) I check in Right Wing media pretty regularly. Even the grifters like Tim Pool/Dave Rubin/Saragon who claim they are "centrist" or "classically liberal" when it is a bold faced lie.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2020 12:04:28 GMT -5
(and you haven't seen it because you only consume left-wing mainstream media) I check in Right Wing media pretty regularly. Even the grifters like Tim Pool/Dave Rubin/Saragon who claim they are "centrist" or "classically liberal" when it is a bold faced lie. Then you're aware that they all lie regularly. Funnily, AOC went on Twitter immediately following the VP debate to correct Kamala's lie about fracking by saying "fracking is bad, m'kay" (paraphrasing). Kamala's answer on US relations to China, saying that foreign policy is as simple as "relationships" came across as patronizing and, frankly, insulting to the intelligence of the average citizen. Um no, Kamala. Foreign policy affects the lives of billions through trillions of $'s in trade, economics, jobs, environment, conflict, wars, etc, etc and it involves countless layers of govt agencies & complex policies. It's really no surprise that her polling was among the lowest (2nd to last, if I recall correctly) following the Democratic nominee debates.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2020 12:12:11 GMT -5
I don't know if I'd agree that Tim Pool is bald face lying though. I believe him when he says he'd have voted for Tulsi Gabbard or Andrew Yang. As I mentioned earlier, there are even far-left factions (including a leader of BLM) that strongly oppose Joe Biden. If you dig deep into Joe's long political history, I'm not sure I'd fault them for that either.
Edit: My main critique of Tim Pool is that he does too much 2nd guessing and speculation. On average, I probably watch 1/2 of one of his videos per month. But I've watched a few recently since it's getting closer to the election.
imo, what many of the tow the line, partisan, always vote one party ppl don't understand about Centrists is that (in the Centrist mindset), it's not about conservative vs. liberal or staying loyal to one party. Rather, it's about choosing the least corrupt, anti-establishment candidate who's most likely to put the peoples' interests above their own and above their party (not for the sake of increasing the party's power, even when that hurts the people). Put into this perspective, you might be able to understand why ppl like Tim Pool are more favorable to candidates like Tulsi, Andrew, and Bernie (because those candidates are more principled and don't set off the corruption/BS meter so much, due to simply not lying constantly).
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Post by ForRealTho on Oct 11, 2020 15:25:45 GMT -5
I don't know if I'd agree that Tim Pool is bald face lying though. I believe him when he says he'd have voted for Tulsi Gabbard or Andrew Yang. As I mentioned earlier, there are even far-left factions (including a leader of BLM) that strongly oppose Joe Biden. If you dig deep into Joe's long political history, I'm not sure I'd fault them for that either. Edit: My main critique of Tim Pool is that he does too much 2nd guessing and speculation. On average, I probably watch 1/2 of one of his videos per month. But I've watched a few recently since it's getting closer to the election. imo, what many of the tow the line, partisan, always vote one party ppl don't understand about Centrists is that (in the Centrist mindset), it's not about conservative vs. liberal or staying loyal to one party. Rather, it's about choosing the least corrupt, anti-establishment candidate who's most likely to put the peoples' interests above their own and above their party (not for the sake of increasing the party's power, even when that hurts the people).
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2020 16:03:19 GMT -5
I watched the first five minutes and he's saying Tim Pool is far right and a liar (slander and name-calling). I had to stop watching at that point because there was non-stop trashing with no fact checking or actually dissecting any points Tim Pool has made in his videos. I get why partisan folks hate him.. he constantly exposes and breaks down politicians' statements & lies. You see, partisans wear blinders and typically support their candidates no matter what. That's pretty much all he does - play videos of politicians' statements and tear down what they've said. They last video of his I watched, he critiqued things said by Trump and Pence as well. I have hard time believing Tim's far-right or white nationalist. Those are ludicrous accusations based on the content I've seen. Also, I see him getting bashed by right-leaning YT channels fairly often (Undead Chronic, Mr. Obvious, etc).
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Post by ForRealTho on Oct 11, 2020 16:40:06 GMT -5
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Post by ForRealTho on Oct 11, 2020 16:43:56 GMT -5
I watched the first five minutes and he's saying Tim Pool is far right and a liar (slander and name-calling). I had to stop watching at that point because there was non-stop trashing with no fact checking or actually dissecting any points Tim Pool has made in his videos. Oh well there is also his rational wiki page: rationalwiki.org/wiki/Tim_PoolHe is another "centrist" or "left libertatian" who just so happens to be a Trump supporter and agree with right wing talking points 100% of the time and always puts anyone on the left in negative terms. "I swear guys I am usually pretty liberal BUT...."
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2020 18:58:00 GMT -5
I watched the first five minutes and he's saying Tim Pool is far right and a liar (slander and name-calling). I had to stop watching at that point because there was non-stop trashing with no fact checking or actually dissecting any points Tim Pool has made in his videos. Oh well there is also his rational wiki page: rationalwiki.org/wiki/Tim_PoolHe is another "centrist" or "left libertatian" who just so happens to be a Trump supporter and agree with right wing talking points 100% of the time and always puts anyone on the left in negative terms. "I swear guys I am usually pretty liberal BUT...." No offense, but that's a reactionary, false generalization. I've already rebutted this.. He's criticized Trump & Pence talking points in a recent video and he doesn't "always" put ppl on the left (Tulsi, Andew, Bernie) in negative terms. In fact, he's had many good things to say about those candidates. The video you linked accused him of being white nationalist for speaking with white nationalists. I've seen that he did a bit with Joe Rogan and I've heard leftists calling Rogan alt-right, so maybe that's where he gets it from. Well, you know, Andrew Yang went on Joe Rogan and discussed UBI. Does this make Andrew a white nationalist too? The guilt by association and boy crying wolf routine (anybody who says something I don't like is white supremacist, there's a Nazi hiding around every corner, etc) has worn thin. Most people see through it these days. Edit: I'm not saying Tim is always correct either. I'm sure he's flawed and makes mistakes in various commentary/opinions, like anybody else. He's strongly anti-establishment, like the BLM leader discussed earlier.. though maybe for different reasons.. BLM primarily focus on Biden's political record on race, whereas Tim is more generally targeting the lies & corruption in American politics).
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Post by ForRealTho on Oct 11, 2020 21:39:08 GMT -5
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Post by Ronhel on Oct 12, 2020 13:58:43 GMT -5
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Post by RockBuff on Oct 12, 2020 14:08:54 GMT -5
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Post by ForRealTho on Oct 12, 2020 15:55:25 GMT -5
No offense, but that's a reactionary, false generalization.
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Post by ForRealTho on Oct 12, 2020 21:47:55 GMT -5
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Post by RockBuff on Oct 13, 2020 7:09:41 GMT -5
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Post by RockBuff on Oct 13, 2020 7:16:38 GMT -5
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Post by ForRealTho on Oct 13, 2020 14:19:30 GMT -5
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Post by RockBuff on Oct 13, 2020 14:30:57 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2020 17:08:33 GMT -5
No offense, but that's a reactionary, false generalization. Doing the snippets thing and trying to frame things out of context comes across as intellectually dishonest (you, Vaush, and the media love doing it). Dude, you totally did make a false generalization when you said Tim always says negative things about leftists. I named several leftists that he spoke positively about. Saying "always" automatically made your statement false. Unhinged and fear-mongering? Maybe, or maybe it's sensationalism to build up his audience, something the mainstream media does quite frequently as well. Even Vaush admitted he does fear-mongering on his channel, but proceeds to say "my fear-mongering is true." Really? How so? Did you see in the news today where yet another Trump supporter was murdered by Antifa and Portland officially/finally declared that there's mass rioting going on in their city? imo, both guys are unhinged if they're implying that government (left or right) is coming after them. Well, Biden does have a plan for gun control and banning assault weapons, high capacity mags, etc. If he makes it a retroactive thing, that might actually require them sending armed govt agents to peoples' homes in order to confiscate guns and magazines. How else would they enforce it otherwise?
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Post by ForRealTho on Oct 13, 2020 18:14:39 GMT -5
Dude, you totally did make a false generalization when you said Tim always says negative things about leftists. I named several leftists that he spoke positively about. Saying "always" automatically made your statement false. Tim makes token "not all liberals are bad" statements for optics purposes. IMO he is running a con. If you remember Milo Yiannpolis he was being paid behind the scenes by a billionaire and working for Steve Bannon. These same people put Dave Rubin on the payroll hence his Similar Tim Pool he is a "classical liberal" which means he supports Trump and the Republicans just like a middle of the road or centrist or "classical liberal" would. I assume Tim Pool is on the same payroll. He is totally not right wing even tho he thinks Biden winning would be the end of America. I wonder if Tim is on the same payroll as Dave Rubin is progressivearmy.com/2018/04/06/dave-rubins-sudden-political-change-receiving-money-koch-brothers/
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2020 18:40:18 GMT -5
I wonder if Vaush's "fear-mongering" is him worrying that (post-election) the Feds, under Trump, are going to crack down on the "peaceful protests" (i.e. rioting). It's possible. The PotUS could use his power as Commander in Chief to declare a state of national emergency and/or declare the rioters as domestic terrorists, which might allow him to activate the military and deploy them in various regions without the approval of governors & mayors.
However, I think we'll see crackdowns on riots regardless of who wins. Consider Biden's own words on the topic. He condemned the rioting and said that Americans should not be committing violence against each other. His VP choice also makes more sense when considering this issue... instead of Biden announcing the crackdowns, Kamala could stand behind the podium and announce the govt's ensuing crackdown on widespread violence in our cities. With Kamala announcing it, the media won't screech "muh, systemic racism" so loudly (if at all), since it would be (a minority person) taking charge & accountability for ending it. If anything, they'd credit her for her brave leadership and paint her as a hero. Well, if that's what it takes to end the violence...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2020 18:54:16 GMT -5
Dude, you totally did make a false generalization when you said Tim always says negative things about leftists. I named several leftists that he spoke positively about. Saying "always" automatically made your statement false. Tim makes token "not all liberals are bad" statements for optics purposes. IMO he is running a con. If you remember Milo Yiannpolis he was being paid behind the scenes by a billionaire and working for Steve Bannon. These same people put Dave Rubin on the payroll hence his Similar Tim Pool he is a "classical liberal" which means he supports Trump and the Republicans just like a middle of the road or centrist or "classical liberal" would. I assume Tim Pool is on the same payroll. He is totally not right wing even tho he thinks Biden winning would be the end of America. I wonder if Tim is on the same payroll as Dave Rubin is progressivearmy.com/2018/04/06/dave-rubins-sudden-political-change-receiving-money-koch-brothers/To be fair, he probably gets that from analyzing right-wing media. They say the Dems could do a number of things to drastically alter our political system (in favor of Democrats, and maybe even give them an exclusive hold on power). Supposedly, they could add (not just replace) new justices to the Supreme Court (for the 1st time in 150 years) increasing the total number of justices, add/create several new (blue) states to throw off the balance of the electoral college (or abolish the electoral college), and legislate a new method for declaring the president unfit and replacing him (decided by a panel, bypassing elections... they say Pelosi has been spear-heading this one).
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Post by Babel-17 on Oct 14, 2020 4:36:43 GMT -5
At this point you want to avoid abbreviations like "sub", and say subforum instead . "This is a sub" could be taken more than one way ... omg, and what I typed just now could be open to interpretation. Phrasing!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2020 12:46:02 GMT -5
At this point you want to avoid abbreviations like "sub", and say subforum instead . "This is a sub" could be taken more than one way ... omg, and what I typed just now could be open to interpretation. Phrasing! That's one of the major problems with the go woke (we must protect all snowflakes' fee-fees) ideology. Who can keep up with ever-evolving language rules (constantly changing - added, removed, replaced)? I read an article on this topic and they talked about how (at one time), calling people "slow" or "dumb" became offensive and they insisted that "mental retardation" was the appropriate, non-offensive term that must be used. Then, later on, that term became offensive and it was replaced with "special needs" or "special". Etc.. Point being, no matter what you do or how language is adapted, there will always be ppl who feel offended and/or disenfranchised. The first amendment should stand because it's the practical thing to do. Otherwise, letting the govt get involved in policing language would be a legislative nightmare, people wouldn't be able to keep up. To effectively enforce speech laws, govt would have to implement something like "Demolition Man" (you broke the language protocols, now pay the fee) or China's social credit system (using tech for constant monitoring of citizens and making sure they comply with legal speech guidelines, else have their freedoms, like freedom to travel or qualify for job/s, taken away). People like Vaush and the Canadian govt think regulating pronoun usage is a trivial matter. I disagree. Regulating speech is a slippery slope. If you go down that slope, disavow the 1st, you've got "1984" and there's probably no going back (govt seldom repeals regulations or agencies it establishes).
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Post by RockBuff on Oct 17, 2020 8:11:34 GMT -5
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