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Post by ForRealTho on Apr 26, 2019 16:29:11 GMT -5
I've watched alot of these MGTOW videos recently and read many comments, mostly for entertainment and interesting stories about other men's experiences with women. I haven't seen anyone call for violence or hate against women. They don't appear to be a movement, much less have a leader or organization. I think they're mostly a bunch of dudes who gave up on trying to make it work with women. I understand their pov, because typically women do expect men to do most of the work in relationships. Women want to be chased and want the men to plan things out in the relationships, and most of them have at least minimal expectations (even if they pretend they don't). That's just the way it is, imo, and you have to deal with it if you want a relationship with a woman. Date tons of women (don't sleep around tho.. anti-biotic resistant STD's are on the rise), find that 1 out of 100 woman (or whatever the odds are) that's good, and expect to put in tons of work & effort to keep the relationship going long-term. Even then, don't expect her to stay the same after marriage (I've read about so many female chameleon stories) and that things still might not work out. Or give up on reproduction, accept that you're an evolutionary dead-end ("choose to die," as it said in my college Biology textbook), go your own way. Well, as Canderous Ordo said in KotOR, "everything dies eventually." Basically, anyone could adopt a nihilistic pov on the subject of death & dying and MGTOW by no means holds monopoly on the topic. I think they're right about one thing at least. They can enjoy their surplus money & comparatively drama-free lifestyle. Personally, I still have hope that there are some decent women who are marriage material. But it's slim pickins' (on the good ones), especially the older you get. The funny thing about MGTOWs is they claim they are "going their own way" but they never shut the fuck up about women lol. Its like that one guy who won't stop talking about his ex tho they broke up years ago. MGTOWs aren't quite as disgusting as incels but they are semi-related. I have seen some entertaining shit from MGTOWs come up on www.reddit.com/r/IncelTears from time to time. You mentioned in and earlier post feminists talking about transgender people and how men need to sleep with them but not lesbians. After I got bored of Anti-SJW stuff I started watching actual feminist videos and I noticed something, similar to the Jordan Peterson vs Zizek where you would expect them to clash but they agreed on most things I found the "sjw feminists" agreeable and I don't find the frothing at the mouth misandry you would expect. Almost like the lunatic fringe tumblr/twitter users don't represent the mainstream feminist thought. I somehow stumbled on this girl via recommended videos after binge watching some feminists, she has blue hair, those glasses popular with SJWS, and shes even "queer". Hitting all the SJW stereotypes. So she must be a frothing at the mouth lunatic right? I actually didn't hear her say anything in this video I disagree with: Rather then listen to what MGTOW/Red Pill types go on about feminists I find it best to go to the source directly. They make a lot of valid points.
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Post by ForRealTho on Apr 26, 2019 16:38:38 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2019 18:11:23 GMT -5
I've watched alot of these MGTOW videos recently and read many comments, mostly for entertainment and interesting stories about other men's experiences with women. I haven't seen anyone call for violence or hate against women. They don't appear to be a movement, much less have a leader or organization. I think they're mostly a bunch of dudes who gave up on trying to make it work with women. I understand their pov, because typically women do expect men to do most of the work in relationships. Women want to be chased and want the men to plan things out in the relationships, and most of them have at least minimal expectations (even if they pretend they don't). That's just the way it is, imo, and you have to deal with it if you want a relationship with a woman. Date tons of women (don't sleep around tho.. anti-biotic resistant STD's are on the rise), find that 1 out of 100 woman (or whatever the odds are) that's good, and expect to put in tons of work & effort to keep the relationship going long-term. Even then, don't expect her to stay the same after marriage (I've read about so many female chameleon stories) and that things still might not work out. Or give up on reproduction, accept that you're an evolutionary dead-end ("choose to die," as it said in my college Biology textbook), go your own way. Well, as Canderous Ordo said in KotOR, "everything dies eventually." Basically, anyone could adopt a nihilistic pov on the subject of death & dying and MGTOW by no means holds monopoly on the topic. I think they're right about one thing at least. They can enjoy their surplus money & comparatively drama-free lifestyle. Personally, I still have hope that there are some decent women who are marriage material. But it's slim pickins' (on the good ones), especially the older you get. The funny thing about MGTOWs is they claim they are "going their own way" but they never shut the fuck up about women lol. Its like that one guy who won't stop talking about his ex tho they broke up years ago. MGTOWs aren't quite as disgusting as incels but they are semi-related. I have seen some entertaining shit from MGTOWs come up on www.reddit.com/r/IncelTears from time to time. You mentioned in and earlier post feminists talking about transgender people and how men need to sleep with them but not lesbians. After I got bored of Anti-SJW stuff I started watching actual feminist videos and I noticed something, similar to the Jordan Peterson vs Zizek where you would expect them to clash but they agreed on most things I found the "sjw feminists" agreeable and I don't find the frothing at the mouth misandry you would expect. Almost like the lunatic fringe tumblr/twitter users don't represent the mainstream feminist thought. I somehow stumbled on this girl via recommended videos after binge watching some feminists, she has blue hair, those glasses popular with SJWS, and shes even "queer". Hitting all the SJW stereotypes. So she must be a frothing at the mouth lunatic right? I actually didn't hear her say anything in this video I disagree with: Rather then listen to what MGTOW/Red Pill types go on about feminists I find it best to go to the source directly. They make a lot of valid points. To be fair, their arguments aren't entirely invalid. Men bear most of the risk in relationships these days and odds are stacked against you as a man. Statistically, the woman is more likely to ask for divorce than you and more likely to win in divorce court. This is why men, not just women, should be picky when choosing a partner. Like I said, date a ton of women and find the best one you can. Even then, it's a calculated risk. Edit: Note, not all MGTOW's are women haters. Also, not all red pilled men are MGTOW's (MGTOW is a subclass of red-pilled men). "Coach Red Pill" (a Youtuber) is red pilled, but he's married and has a family (in the Ukraine). Edit 2: Also, expect to get turned down alot and learn to handle rejection well. It's normal for most men to get turned down often, because many women instinctively hold out for men who are the top 20% (at least, up until their biological clock approaches the stroke of midnight). lol
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2019 18:48:33 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2019 11:15:46 GMT -5
Rather then listen to what MGTOW/Red Pill types go on about feminists I find it best to go to the source directly. They make a lot of valid points. Actually, I've watched many female hosted videos too and they do make some valid points (and others are nonsense). But keep in mind, if you're relying on the source directly for all of your info, realize that the direct "source" will always be biased. Then debate devolves into the he said vs she said BS. imo, the best sources are published statistics and your own personal experience, which you gather over the years by interacting with women directly and face to face (not texting, online dating BS, or watching videos). If you had much experience with women in real life settings, you'd observe how many of them gravitate to or even flock to bad boys who treat them like shit. If you ever had a friend or brother who's one of the "bad boys" and hang out with him for a substantial length of time, you could see how women are around him. Quite often they show strong preference for the bad boy - making eye contact, smiling, and overtly flirtatious. Hell, they even admit all of this in feminist dating & dating coach videos, hosted entirely by women (the direct "source"). That's fine for women who want that. But as a society, we should realize that women who seek such men are bringing it on themselves and, when they whine, call them out on it. Seriously, instead of complaining there are no good guys left, they should look at the type of men they are choosing and develop a better taste in men.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2019 13:08:46 GMT -5
This vid has good (non-political) advice to help guys waste less time pursuing someone who's not interested. I like his suggestions. Avoid long, drawn-out text messaging. Keep each text brief and to the point. Make no more than two attempts (at spaced intervals) to connect with her and if she throws up roadblocks on both attempts, let it go and move on with your life.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2019 13:15:40 GMT -5
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Post by ForRealTho on Apr 27, 2019 14:50:55 GMT -5
This "sovereign citizen" lady got evicted and arrested back in March, they had no power in their house so they were running car batteries in series in the basement. Crazy. She speaks in this weird pseudo-legal mumbo jumbo that I find oddly interesting to listen to because its so out there. She referred to white people as "albion" at some point lol wtf. I almost feel sorry for her and want to paypal her some money to get her off the street but don't want to end up on an FBI watch list
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Post by ForRealTho on Apr 27, 2019 19:22:34 GMT -5
Glad to see Rammstein hasn't changed a bit. Haven't listen to them in years.
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Post by Emig5m on Apr 28, 2019 0:36:41 GMT -5
Great battle tonight between Team Kawasaki's Eli Tomac and the series points leader Cooper Webb.....I was there in person, I got my monies worth! The race fuel fumes got me stoned....that stuff was intense smelling...lol...
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Post by ForRealTho on Apr 28, 2019 11:41:47 GMT -5
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Post by ForRealTho on Apr 28, 2019 18:31:42 GMT -5
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Post by Emig5m on Apr 28, 2019 21:07:36 GMT -5
She must be a fun one to be married to!
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Post by ForRealTho on Apr 29, 2019 21:21:44 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2019 13:33:32 GMT -5
I'm all for equality. Equality is great if, by "equality," you actually mean treating people equally. Equal pay for equal work is equality. What I'm saying is, a lazy-assed low-productivity person shouldn't get the same pay as a highly productive person, doing the same type of work. You see, it's not just the type of work, but the quality & quantity of work done as well. Setting pay strictly based on what's between a person's legs is not equality. Work-performance related metrics are needed because, without this, we'd fall behind the rest of the world and lose our competitive edge. This is why equality of outcomes irrespective of actual work performance is a terrible idea and, if implemented, would have negative consequences for the economy. Also, equality of outcomes was tested thoroughly under Communism and we all know how that turned out.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2019 13:40:07 GMT -5
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Post by ForRealTho on Apr 30, 2019 14:22:23 GMT -5
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Post by ForRealTho on Apr 30, 2019 18:44:02 GMT -5
That video has come up on my recommended vids before but I never watched it. Her over the top reaction is entertaining since all black people in America are something like at least 30% European. I part ways with him when he says "They can't come up with modern racism so they have to come up with stuff that happened 100s of years ago". Um has this guy ever talked to any black people? If that chick tried to join a white nationalist group she would be laughed out of the place for being black, they wouldn't give a damn about a DNA test. Yet this guy is acting like she is a white girl with a tan? She is being over the top and ridiculous but so is he because she is clearly a black American and he knows it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2019 19:08:21 GMT -5
That video has come up on my recommended vids before but I never watched it. Her over the top reaction is entertaining since all black people in America are something like at least 30% European. I part ways with him when he says "They can't come up with modern racism so they have to come up with stuff that happened 100s of years ago". Um has this guy ever talked to any black people? If that chick tried to join a white nationalist group she would be laughed out of the place for being black, they wouldn't give a damn about a DNA test. Yet this guy is acting like she is a white girl with a tan? She is being over the top and ridiculous but so is he because she is clearly a black American and he knows it. It seems he's going by the DNA results that she read aloud in her vid, which said she's European ancestry. He briefly noted at one point in the vid that she's clearly mixed. Regardless, skin color alone isn't a reliable indicator of a person's primary ancestry. A DNA test is the only reliable method to determine ancestry. Point taken about racism. There's still racist people out there (both white and black racists, actually), even if more subtle and not as extreme as it was the past. However, keep in mind, he's talking about sjw's and this particular woman (who actually is mostly European) and their misplaced use of history for victim points. His comments really aren't referencing or targeting black peoples' experiences with racism in the real world today. Of course, she would get laughed out of a white nationalist group. They're racist and only look at a person's skin color. But, by the same token, I wouldn't be able to join any black groups or put that I'm African American on a job application or scholarship app, even though I probably have African DNA in my own ancestry (according to one of my Uncles, who did some digging into our family history). Regardless, in both cases, it's all based on skin color. Seems discriminatory either way, because both are about playing favoritism/acceptance into groups and societal bonus points based on skin color.
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Post by ForRealTho on Apr 30, 2019 20:07:07 GMT -5
This is my favorite DNA test video lol
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2019 20:45:07 GMT -5
This is my favorite DNA test video lol lol. Yeah, I've seen a clip of that before, within some show/documentary about his misdeeds. The guy's a real creep. He bought up as much as he could of some small town. Then he went around the place holding a gun and enforcers at his side, taunting and threatening long-standing citizens. I believe they said he was trying to intimidate them to move out, so that his other white nationalist buddies could move in and have complete control of the town.
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Post by ForRealTho on May 2, 2019 21:59:41 GMT -5
Here's an vid that covers transgenders' (female to male) experiences and how they were shocked to discover that they had privilege & support as women, but virtually none after they transitioned to men. Pretty much a slam dunk for the above argument. Whats interesting is this video opens up talking about how when black women transition to men they are treated badly by police. Funny cuz the same right wing sphere that Sargon of Akkard lives was just a couple years ago saying that Black Lives Matter was greatly exaggerating anti-black racism by police. That same racism that was apparently being exaggerated is being used by him to bolster an argument. No doubt that women have much better rights in western society the before but for thousands of years women were basically property and even up till the 1970s women were required to have male cosigners for loans and credit cards. In many places in the world women are still basically property. Yet because men don't get doors held open that means society is "gynocentric". I don't think so. Like you said men kill themselves at a rate 4x higher then women. Suicide is often times based on financial reasons. More and more wealth going up to the 1% and a dying middle class which is just accelerating. Also the video mentions women talking more then men which "everyone knows" but is it true? When I was still an undergrad we talked about that and when they study that they find men and women talk in similar amounts but talk about different things: www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=11762186It can also be a reinforcing thing that some men think they are supposed to be the "strong silent type" so they modify their behavior to meet that expectation even if its not who they naturally are.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2019 10:36:04 GMT -5
Here's an vid that covers transgenders' (female to male) experiences and how they were shocked to discover that they had privilege & support as women, but virtually none after they transitioned to men. Pretty much a slam dunk for the above argument. Whats interesting is this video opens up talking about how when black women transition to men they are treated badly by police. Funny cuz the same right wing sphere that Sargon of Akkard lives was just a couple years ago saying that Black Lives Matter was greatly exaggerating anti-black racism by police. That same racism that was apparently being exaggerated is being used by him to bolster an argument. No doubt that women have much better rights in western society the before but for thousands of years women were basically property and even up till the 1970s women were required to have male cosigners for loans and credit cards. In many places in the world women are still basically property. Yet because men don't get doors held open that means society is "gynocentric". I don't think so. Like you said men kill themselves at a rate 4x higher then women. Suicide is often times based on financial reasons. More and more wealth going up to the 1% and a dying middle class which is just accelerating. Also the video mentions women talking more then men which "everyone knows" but is it true? When I was still an undergrad we talked about that and when they study that they find men and women talk in similar amounts but talk about different things: www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=11762186It can also be a reinforcing thing that some men think they are supposed to be the "strong silent type" so they modify their behavior to meet that expectation even if its not who they naturally are. There's lots of reason for it. Increasing wealth disparity, loss of employment due to ageism (most of the suicides are men aged 40+), and financial rape of men in divorce court. Men are vulnerable and can get destroyed financially when they marry and not making six figures. Yeah, not a good idea to get married these days if the man doesn't earn tons of money. Because if the marriage ends in divorce, the govt/courts often dictate that he pays alimony, or about half of his earnings go to his ex. More if he has to pay child support. Also, if he loses custody of his kids and the mother doesn't allow him to see his kids, that can lead to depression.
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Post by ForRealTho on May 3, 2019 11:20:37 GMT -5
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Post by ForRealTho on May 3, 2019 11:33:32 GMT -5
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Post by ForRealTho on May 3, 2019 12:11:29 GMT -5
There's lots of reason for it. Increasing wealth disparity, loss of employment due to ageism (most of the suicides are men aged 40+), and financial rape of men in divorce court. Men are vulnerable and can get destroyed financially when they marry and not making six figures. Yeah, not a good idea to get married these days if the man doesn't earn tons of money. Because if the marriage ends in divorce, the govt/courts often dictate that he pays alimony, or about half of his earnings go to his ex. More if he has to pay child support. Also, if he loses custody of his kids and the mother doesn't allow him to see his kids, that can lead to depression. Men do often get boned in divorce but if they had great jobs would it matter as much? Stuff like this is more of a root cause....still waiting on all of those amazing coal mining jobs Trump promised, lol... www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/05/01/magazine/lordstown-general-motors-plant.html
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2019 12:43:43 GMT -5
There's lots of reason for it. Increasing wealth disparity, loss of employment due to ageism (most of the suicides are men aged 40+), and financial rape of men in divorce court. Men are vulnerable and can get destroyed financially when they marry and not making six figures. Yeah, not a good idea to get married these days if the man doesn't earn tons of money. Because if the marriage ends in divorce, the govt/courts often dictate that he pays alimony, or about half of his earnings go to his ex. More if he has to pay child support. Also, if he loses custody of his kids and the mother doesn't allow him to see his kids, that can lead to depression. Men do often get boned in divorce but if they had great jobs would it matter as much? Stuff like this is more of a root cause....still waiting on all of those amazing coal mining jobs Trump promised, lol... www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/05/01/magazine/lordstown-general-motors-plant.htmlIt's not that tough to figure out. If a man makes $100k/year, gets divorced, and half of his pay goes to alimony, he'd be left with $50k/year to live on. That's doable. If he makes $50k/year or less in a similar situation, following the divorce he could be living paycheck to paycheck or worse (especially if he has child support payments and/or additional debt on top of that).
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2019 13:54:56 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm aware of the GM Lordstown plant closing. I lived in that area for a few years and I graduated from college there (YSU).
The real problem with the U.S. auto industry is that their sales tanked (cars anyway.. truck/suv sales are doing ok for now), because they couldn't compete with the Japanese and Korean brands. The reason for that is most consumers perceive the asian brands as having better quality and/or value. Not much we can do about that either as long as we support globalism and free trade agreements. Currently, most Pubs and Dems support this and it doesn't look like it's going to change anytime soon. We should expect domestic manufacturing that's intertwined with union labor to continue its decline because unions drive up labor costs. Companies would rather have that cheap overseas labor than dealing with unions and they have that option, thanks to our pro-globalist economic policies.
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Post by ForRealTho on May 3, 2019 22:36:45 GMT -5
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Post by ForRealTho on May 4, 2019 8:36:27 GMT -5
https://www.reddit.com/r/trashy/comments/bka0yb/a_friend_just_moved_into_a_new_neighborhood_and/
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