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Post by ForRealTho on Jan 18, 2022 12:03:38 GMT -5
Where was abortion banned in the US? It wasn't. I was speaking in the case of a hypothetical Civil War. |
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Post by sj on Jan 18, 2022 13:06:19 GMT -5
I don't hear much about the LGBT hate you speak of, maybe because this place and Youtube are the only sites I visit routinely. Not sure that's enough to trigger a Civil War tho, because I've never met a person like that (so consumed with hate that they'd kill over someone else's sex preference). I am out of the loop with a lot of right wing sites in 2022 but going back as far as when Prop 8 was heating up in California articles about anti-LGBT stuff have been all over those sites and get more comments then just about any other article. When gay marriage was passed in 2015 Christianity Today turned their whole website into an article from every single employee talking about how they oppose gay marriage(Then in 2019 Donald Trump tried to cancel them for running an opinion that he was unfit for office calling it a "liberal rag". They got more comments on their Facebook then any other article in their history and naturally the good Christians who follow Donald were calling for the editors of the magazine to be executed for daring to oppose Trump lol) The Catholicism subreddit is pretty notorious for being very right wing I haven't looked at it in a while. I just loaded it up and the 3rd thread down is anti-gay: www.reddit.com/r/Catholicism/comments/s6q95n/is_the_fact_only_44_of_american_catholics_belive/One of the Mormon church leaders had a lot of backlash for saying they need to direct "Musket fire" at LGBT rights, the articles on their news website were an explosion. The last time I checked 4chan's /pol/ board the top two threads were people bitching about Trans/LGBT stuff. 4chan is notoriously obsessed with the topic. What people do inside of their own homes is nobody's business (as long as they're not violating others' rights like, say, kidnapping), not the governments nor that of any religious group. If somebody assaults or murders an LGBT, they should face the punishment as anyone else. Actually, assault or murder of an LGBT would be considered especially heinous in a court of law because the justice system does follow special protections coded into law for them. Ok, there a few large churches and online "communities" that preach hate towards gays. I don't see that as enough to unite all conservatives to join in and start a bloody Civil War, because I doubt there's high enough % of right-wingers that hate gays that badly (or at all). Only 30% of Americans oppose gay marriage. And, of those, how many would feel strongly enough to go to war and die over it (something other ppl are doing in their own homes, behind closed doors)? news.gallup.com/poll/350486/record-high-support-same-sex-marriage.aspx |
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Post by sj on Jan 18, 2022 13:21:31 GMT -5
Where was abortion banned in the US? It wasn't. I was speaking in the case of a hypothetical Civil War. Women overwhelmingly support abortion. Traditionally, men fought wars because of their women (you can point to the draft and whatever else, but men wouldn't have had the will to fight without their families back home to protect).. In those times (WW's and the wars we fought to win), most women were wifed up and, each, paired to one man. Not so these days, not with the younger generations that would fight in hypothetical wars. As well, most of the women that are hitched (as few as they are, compared to prior generations) would discourage their men from fighting over this issue because, again, most women support abortion. /my 2 cents anyway. |
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Post by ForRealTho on Jan 18, 2022 13:27:48 GMT -5
there a few large churches and online "communities" that preach hate towards gays. I don't see that as enough to unite all conservatives to join in and start a bloody Civil War, because I doubt there's high enough % of right-wingers that hate gays that badly (or at all). That is why it is so ridiculous. Like what is the end goal? What does "winning" look like? |
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Post by sj on Jan 18, 2022 13:34:41 GMT -5
there a few large churches and online "communities" that preach hate towards gays. I don't see that as enough to unite all conservatives to join in and start a bloody Civil War, because I doubt there's high enough % of right-wingers that hate gays that badly (or at all). That is why it is so ridiculous. Like what is the end goal? What does "winning" look like? I don't know either, ForReal. Maybe something like the CHAZ (anarchist no-go zones) of the 2020 riots, but more of them. My bro-in-law lived in a suburb around Seattle when that was going on, sometimes he'd commute to his office (and get a first-hand glimpse of CHAZ I presume). He said it was much worse than what they were showing in the media. |
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Post by ForRealTho on Jan 18, 2022 13:42:07 GMT -5
My bro-in-law lived in a suburb around Seattle when that was going on, sometimes he'd commute to his office (and get a first-hand glimpse of CHAZ I presume). He said it was much worse than what they were showing in the media. Thats interesting cuz I watched a YouTube video from a woman living in Portland and she said it was hilarious because her parents in Nebraska legit wanted her to like pack up and move because Portland was a "warzone" she was laughing about how all the drama in Portland was confined to the same area its always been. Her parents straight up could not believe she wasn't in eminent danger of being murdered just for living there. |
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Post by sj on Jan 18, 2022 14:02:56 GMT -5
My bro-in-law lived in a suburb around Seattle when that was going on, sometimes he'd commute to his office (and get a first-hand glimpse of CHAZ I presume). He said it was much worse than what they were showing in the media. Thats interesting cuz I watched a YouTube video from a woman living in Portland and she said it was hilarious because her parents in Nebraska legit wanted her to like pack up and move because Portland was a "warzone" she was laughing about how all the drama in Portland was confined to the same area its always been. Her parents straight up could not believe she wasn't in eminent danger of being murdered just for living there. In Seattle, the police were ordered out and off duty during the occupation The police station was broken into, wrecked, and boarded up (I saw this in a news video). There would've been no police around in Seattle to stop any crime going on. Maybe that's the difference. |
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Post by sj on Jan 19, 2022 7:43:24 GMT -5
Edit: I recommend watching this one 'til the end, where he shows a clip with Tucker Carlson interviewing Senator Ted Cruz. It's hilarious, regardless of your political affiliation.
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Post by sj on Jan 19, 2022 12:21:01 GMT -5
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Post by sj on Jan 20, 2022 12:26:47 GMT -5
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Post by Babel-17 on Jan 20, 2022 22:37:00 GMT -5
Why do the masses embrace tyranny...what's the point in living...you're worse off than a NPC in a video game... |
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Post by sj on Jan 21, 2022 19:13:21 GMT -5
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Post by sj on Jan 21, 2022 19:56:00 GMT -5
Why do the masses embrace tyranny...what's the point in living...you're worse off than a NPC in a video game... A key issue is our terrible choice of leaders. Last election you had to choose between Trump or Biden. Before that, Trump or Hillary. Etc, etc.  With these choices, no matter which party is in office - the money printer go burrr, debts & costs go higher, and the majority of people grow poorer. Look at our overall debt to GDP ratio - over 141%. usdebtclock.org/The rising income disparity is not good and, yes, billionaires should pay their share of taxes. However, Elon Musk was also correct with this point... even if you zeroed out all of the billionaires, $4 trillion would barely make a dent in lowering U.S. debt (over $86 trillion U.S. debt and over $163 trillion in U.S. unfunded liabilities). There simply isn't enough income or wealth out there for govt to sustain these massive year over year spending increases. Spending cuts are absolutely required to solve our budget problems and prevent an eventual economic meltdown. Everybody wants their cut from the govt, but it's just not realistic or sustainable. |
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Post by sj on Jan 22, 2022 11:11:37 GMT -5
How to avert a Civil War (while continuing to distract the masses from the elite's socioeconomic war against the lower classes)?
Start a war over some other country's border integrity across an ocean and another continent, where we have no geopolitical interests.
This does indeed sound like 1984. You know, at least Iraq had oil. What does the Ukraine have that we need? Are Russian trolls online enough to justify a kinetic war that could potentially end life on earth? WTF is going on here with the saber rattling with Russia, whose nuclear stockpile far exceeds our own?
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Post by sj on Jan 26, 2022 16:28:05 GMT -5
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Post by sj on Feb 10, 2022 16:45:50 GMT -5
Why do the masses embrace tyranny...what's the point in living...you're worse off than a NPC in a video game... The worst part is, if the masses (in western countries) embrace tyranny continuously, eventually they'll also end up with leaders/government like this (or worse) who lay down their nuclear arsenal on the table as a negotiating tactic. Personally, I don't think we should be messing around in Ukraine, unless the goal is to seek the worst possible outcome (every human on earth dies). There's very little (if any) strategic interest to us in Ukraine, while there's a very high risk of starting a world ending war. Just because another country on the other side of the world is led by a tyrant, that doesn't mean we should act as the world's police and go provoking fights with them. My recommendation to stymie the crisis would be to open up more oil & gas pipelines here in the U.S. and supply the EU with enough oil so that the EU has options. With access to US oil & gas, the EU themselves could say no to Russia's Nord Stream 2 pipeline as bargaining chip in regards to the situation with Ukraine. Russia couldn't fight a long, drawn out war if the west wasn't buying their oil & gas to fuel their economy & military infrastructure. Opening up more oil & gas resources here would also bring energy prices down, which brings most other prices down, and would help turn the tide with inflation. This policy kills two birds with one stone. Sorry, but if green energy/tech were advanced & cost effective enough to actually replace fossil fuels, we wouldn't be having this inflation problem (under Biden energy policy). Biden tried to dictate that he'd shut down Russia's Nord Stream 2 in retaliation of a Russian invasion of Ukraine. But he really can't do this. It's not even under his jurisdiction. The EU absolutely needs the oil & gas and Putin's intelligent enough to know all of this. |
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Post by sj on Feb 13, 2022 10:06:30 GMT -5
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