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Post by Emig5m on Apr 11, 2019 13:36:24 GMT -5
I'm so estactic over the packed in AKG ear bubs that came with my S10 that I'm thinking of trying this brand for full size headphones so I have my eye on the AKG K7XX from Massdrop, what do you guys think? Why do I like the packed in AKGs with the S10? They have the sound of perfection and perfect balance without needing any EQ or tone control adjustments. Where my HD558's lack bass and are a little dull, the Sennheiser Momentum 2.0 ear buds are the polar opposite, overly V shaped curve, very bloated and tubby bass and lack of midrange (I like bass, but I also like vocals). The AKGs has great punchy bass but doesn't sound overly boomy or drown out the mids and highs because the mids are there and vocals are loud and clear where as the Momentum 2.0 ear buds the mids are too recessed and quiet in favor of overly boosted bass and treble. The treble on the AKG also sounds perfectly balanced to me, not too dull/bland, but not too shrill either. So with the HD558's to get them to sound balanced from top to bottom I have to boost the bass the most because there is none, cut the mids slightly because these phone's default sound sounds like a loudspeaker with the bass and tweeter drivers unplugged which I don't understand the appeal to that sound?
When I went to Ariana Grande's concert the bass didn't sound boomy and bloated at all but.... it was so intense that the solid concrete walls down in the lower level of the arena was shaking like an earthquake! Yea, imagine solid concrete walls in a big arena shaking like an earthquake from all the bass! Most intense and cleanest bass that I've heard at a concert or anywhere else before! Bass makes the sound more full and fun. So I'll never understand the appeal to the sound of having no woofers? Bass is a huge part of the music, why "lack" it? I would agree that too much of the wrong type of the bass totally kills and blurs the sound like the overly boomy tubby bass of say, old Radio Shack Mach II's but having a good amount of tight bass sure makes it sound better, fuller, and fun. My main worry is that the EQ settings that I use on two Sennheiser products are polar opposites, one very V curve to get some life out of the sound and the other more frown face to boost the dead mids and tone down the bass and treble so I feel the full size AKG headphones could potentially be much different than the AKG ear buds even though they're the same brand. Too many doubts to take the chance on one of these pairs of headphones. Wish I could demo them all and make my choice! I like when the sound is spot on while not needing any EQ or tone controls and the stock AKG earbuds that came with my S10 do that for me! So any opinion on the AKG K7XX? |
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Post by ForRealTho on Apr 11, 2019 13:55:31 GMT -5
LOL dude I literally have the AKG K7XX on my head right now. They are my work headphones. They leak sound but I have my own office so I don't have to worry about it.
They have a wide soundstage and decent bass but as a Sennheiser person who loves the thicker Sennheiser sound they sound a bit thin for my taste. They are not bad by any stretch of the imagination.
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Post by Emig5m on Apr 11, 2019 15:33:42 GMT -5
LOL dude I literally have the AKG K7XX on my head right now. They are my work headphones. They leak sound but I have my own office so I don't have to worry about it. They have a wide soundstage and decent bass but as a Sennheiser person who loves the thicker Sennheiser sound they sound a bit thin for my taste. They are not bad by any stretch of the imagination. When I demoed my HD558's I also demoed a higher end and more expensive pair of Sennheisers, I wish I could remember the exact model but they had even less bass (not dramatically) than the HD558's which where a little more punchier. The only "thicker" sounding Sennheisers I have experience with are the Momentum earbuds in which I think are too thick.... I would call the 558's "thin". Too bad you didn't have the AKG buds that come with the S10 then you could tell me if they're similar to the K7XX. I wish I could replicate the the AKG buds but in a full size format with the wider soundstage of a full size headphone. Oh, hows the comfort compare to Sennheiser? |
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Post by ForRealTho on Apr 11, 2019 16:05:01 GMT -5
The higher end Sennheisers need an amp to work properly and who knows what you demoed and how they were plugged in. I am biased in that I like their sound and Audeze sound which goes for a darker more bassy sound vs AKG. I do actually have the AKG earbuds that came with my S9+ but I can't get a good seal with them, the ear buds they come with don't fit my ear canals. I always go el cheapo with ear buds because I always break them or lose them and they never fit right. I just have weird ears I guess. Right now I am using the Mass Drop EDC earbuds that were $60 and they are adequate. The AKG K7XX should be a good headphone for you plenty of people swear by them, I am biased tho and I recommend the Massdrop Sennheiser HD6XX or HD58X Jubilee as I prefer their house sound. Also if you are going to get into high end headphones do yourself a big favor and get this amp. $99 and it is freaking amazing: jdslabs.com/product/atom-amp/ |
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Post by Emig5m on Apr 12, 2019 1:08:46 GMT -5
The higher end Sennheisers need an amp to work properly and who knows what you demoed and how they were plugged in. I am biased in that I like their sound and Audeze sound which goes for a darker more bassy sound vs AKG. I do actually have the AKG earbuds that came with my S9+ but I can't get a good seal with them, the ear buds they come with don't fit my ear canals. I always go el cheapo with ear buds because I always break them or lose them and they never fit right. I just have weird ears I guess. Right now I am using the Mass Drop EDC earbuds that were $60 and they are adequate. The AKG K7XX should be a good headphone for you plenty of people swear by them, I am biased tho and I recommend the Massdrop Sennheiser HD6XX or HD58X Jubilee as I prefer their house sound. Also if you are going to get into high end headphones do yourself a big favor and get this amp. $99 and it is freaking amazing: jdslabs.com/product/atom-amp/It's crazy that you say that they're more bassy than AKG because I thought full size Sennheisers where lacking bass? Could of been the way that they where powered? True....I remember when I first went surround sound from stereo my Cerwin Vegas went from punchy sound with great clarity to bassless dull lifeless sound with no impact and that was because my stereo amp was a dedicated Carver TFM-35x with a dedicated Carver preamp and the surround system was a HTIB Sony AVR. Right there is when I discovered the importance of having good front end gear to get the most out of your speakers!
Yea, with the AKG buds I had to use the larger insert to get a good tight seal because the default ones didn't seal all the way which caused a lack of bass. That was actually the first time that the default size inserts wheren't big enough for me and not only did it cause lack of bass but also they would work themselves loose and fall out of my ear easily. Didn't yours come with multiple size inserts? Not only are they the best sounding buds that I've had but they're also the most comfortable. Maybe the S10's AKG buds are different than the S9's?
I want you to post a pic or video of yourself with your right hand on the bible and swear that you're not a Sennheiser shill....lol. Do you own stocks in Sennheiser? Gotten any product for free, etc? Yea I have trust issues with people online because I've personally known a brand shill before....hell I don't even really trust Zreviews...I'm sure some products he reviews he's getting some compensation and doing some slight shilling because of his Youtube popularity and success and can't even really blame him, I would probably do it too if I was getting compensated....lol.
With regards to a more dedicated AMP.... Do you think that a Dragonfly is adequate for driving headphones off the PC? I like to keep it simple as possible anymore but I suppose a more dedicated AMP would alleviate any doubts that my front end is holding anything back...
You still didn't comment on the comfort of the AKG vs the Sennheiser full size headphones. What's more comfortable?
And the house sound... Hmmm... Long story short... I want something punchy and lively without using EQ or tone controls because the majority of the music that I listen to is pop and rock but I don't want overly boomy and tubby bass but would like something that digs the deepest for watching movies or playing games. I've read that Sennheiser fall short on digging to the deepest notes. Someone on Facebook commented that they have the same preference as me and that the AKG K7XX fit the bill perfectly and some reviews online rated them better for gaming for a wider sounstage.
<takes deep breath>....
What to do, what to do... I really wish that I could go somewhere and test them all together back to back. I suppose the cheap price of Massdrop I could just buy the 58x and K7XX and pretend I'm just paying Best Buy price for one set of headphones, lol, but I'm getting so cheap and trying to stack as much money as I can in the bank anymore that I don't even really want to fork over for one pair, even with Massdrops great pricing and my 558's get the job done with some EQ....heh.
I hate audio hobbies.....it's literally impossible to get the perfect audio gear for yourself because unless you're a multi-millionaire and just buy and test everything yourself which in itself is kind of impossible to do because there's just too many products out there to even have the time and space to actually test everything....you kind of have to live with the fact that the gear you own there's always potentially something out there that you would like tenfold better than the stuff you currently have....you just haven't had a chance to experience it.
So which one is more punchier and livelier than the other without sucking out the midrange by default? K7XX, 58X, 6XX? Comfort =?
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Post by Emig5m on Apr 12, 2019 1:33:32 GMT -5
Linus says that the K7XX vs HD600's are tit-for-tat and that the K7XX have a little more bass punch....
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Post by Emig5m on Apr 12, 2019 1:36:54 GMT -5
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Post by Emig5m on Apr 12, 2019 2:02:47 GMT -5
This guy says that the Sennheisers are more midrange focused with reduced bass/treble which is my experience with the HD 558's and the other ones I tried and says that the AKG has more deeper bass. At 6:37 in the video is where he explains that the AKGs are better for bands that work together like Metallica and that the HD6XX are better for more vocal focused music like Adele...plus the AKGs are better for gaming. Based on this review, I think the AKGs are for me...?
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Post by ForRealTho on Apr 12, 2019 7:20:40 GMT -5
I'm not a Sennheiser shill they are just the first company I got into when I got the 595s way back in like what 2004? I got the 580s(same thing as 600 really) in 2005 I think and I just shipped that 15 year old pair of headphones to a friend on an extreme budget who refurbished them with parts he bought online so they are good as new. I own plenty of other headphones I just always go back to Sennheiser because I just like them. The HD650(same thing as HD6XX) are the headphones all other headphones are judged by and its been like that for over 10 years now. Comfort wise the AKG probably wins a bit because it doesn't clamp your head it also doesn't seal as well. The Sennheisers do loosen up over time though. Anyway the Dragonfly is a waste of money. If you are going to get an amp get the JDS Labs Atom I linked above. It wipes up the floor with the Dragonfly and it only costs $99 vs I think $250 for the Dragonfly Red: jdslabs.com/product/atom-amp/Some reviews just look at the numbers, the Dragonfly Red isn't even in the same league as the Atom: www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/review-and-measurements-of-new-jds-labs-atom-headphone-amp.5262/www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/review-and-measurements-of-dacport-hd-and-dragonfly-red.5977/As to the house sound that is personal preference but on every genre of music I just prefer Sennheiser/Audeze over the K7XX but that is just my opinion. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2019 10:18:21 GMT -5
Comfort wise the AKG probably wins a bit because it doesn't clamp your head it also doesn't seal as well. The Sennheisers do loosen up over time though. I've owned the HD6XX for many months and they still clamp on fairly tight. Probably not the best headphones to wear for long sessions, like more than an hour or two at a time. Also, I'm not sure that the seal matters with these headphones, since they are open-back headphones and there's practically no noise isolation anyway. I'm just being honest and not hating on the Sennheisers. The Bose QC35's were loose/comfortable and had adequate seal & noise isolation. They prove it can be done without making the headphones clamp tightly onto your head. Of course, the Bose headphones had other issues/reasons for not recommending them. |
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Post by ForRealTho on Apr 12, 2019 12:41:53 GMT -5
Comfort wise the AKG probably wins a bit because it doesn't clamp your head it also doesn't seal as well. The Sennheisers do loosen up over time though. I've owned the HD6XX for many months and they still clamp on fairly tight. Probably not the best headphones to wear for long sessions, like more than an hour or two at a time. Also, I'm not sure that the seal matters with these headphones, since they are open-back headphones and there's practically no noise isolation anyway. I'm just being honest and not hating on the Sennheisers. The Bose QC35's were loose/comfortable and had adequate seal & noise isolation. They prove it can be done without making the headphones clamp tightly onto your head. Of course, the Bose headphones had other issues/reasons for not recommending them. The Senn 6XX series tend to lose a bit of base response if the earcups get too squished or you bend the headband to loosen them up(never do this you can snap the headband easy). I didn't realize this till I got new earcups after using the same pair for 10 years. All the sudden the bass was better. Also speaking of earbuds I joined the drop for these back in like January when they were prerelease. They were supposed to ship in mid march, I got an email saying they were delayed and click here to cancel if you don't want to wait. I finally got an email last week saying they are in the mail somewhere coming from China. 4 months is the longest drop I have had from Mass Drop. Hope they get here next week at some point: www.massdrop.com/buy/tin-audio-t3-iem |
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Post by Emig5m on Apr 14, 2019 13:57:32 GMT -5
Ok so I ordered the AKG7XX after watching many videos and reading many reviews, I "think" that they'll be more my cup of tea and if I don't like them I'll sell them for a slight loss and try one of the Sennheisers but.... Also if you are going to get into high end headphones do yourself a big favor and get this amp. $99 and it is freaking amazing: jdslabs.com/product/atom-amp/^No DAC?  I'm definitely not going to feed it with the analog output of a PC that's for sure...mega S/N ratio! Isn't there something good that includes both a DAC+Amp that gets great results for a good price? That's why I was asking about the Dragonfly because I already have one albeit the less powerful black and not the red but the nice thing about the Dragonfly is that it's so small and portable and can be comfortably used while laying in bed with a smartphone... |
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Post by Emig5m on Apr 14, 2019 14:12:58 GMT -5
I guess I could use this as a cheaper DAC+Amp solution for now and just add in a better amp later if I feel the need and use the FiiO just as a DAC with its line output to a better Amp later?
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Post by ForRealTho on Apr 14, 2019 14:51:18 GMT -5
Ok so I ordered the AKG7XX after watching many videos and reading many reviews, I "think" that they'll be more my cup of tea and if I don't like them I'll sell them for a slight loss and try one of the Sennheisers but.... Also if you are going to get into high end headphones do yourself a big favor and get this amp. $99 and it is freaking amazing: jdslabs.com/product/atom-amp/^No DAC? I'm definitely not going to feed it with the analog output of a PC that's for sure...mega S/N ratio! Isn't there something good that includes both a DAC+Amp that gets great results for a good price? That's why I was asking about the Dragonfly because I already have one albeit the less powerful black and not the red but the nice thing about the Dragonfly is that it's so small and portable and can be comfortably used while laying in bed with a smartphone... For a good but cheap DAC I use the Grace Designs SDAC but the drop is off right now www.massdrop.com/buy/massdrop-x-grace-design-standard-dacThe Schiit Modi 3 is also new and very highly rated: www.schiit.com/products/modi-1The Fiio and Dragonfly will never be as good as a legit desktop DAC/amp solution. |
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Post by Emig5m on Apr 14, 2019 14:51:53 GMT -5
Nevermind...canceled my order...too many doubts.....lol....
I hate buying audio shit without being able to demo them myself...not to mention can't feel the comfort either....lol....
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Post by ForRealTho on Apr 14, 2019 17:36:40 GMT -5
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Post by Emig5m on Apr 14, 2019 19:01:04 GMT -5
I'm kinda in give up mode because there's just way too many conflicting opinions out there. A detailed review of all the popular massdrop headphones on linustechtips said that the Sennheisers do lack bass for pop, electronic, and rap all types of music that I listen to and that the Hifiman HE 4xx where the better headphones and generally had a more pleasing and fun sound for the general population. But...that could be my definition of too much bass and lack of mids like my Momentum 2.0. Who knows.
So with not being able to demo them and having to double the price with needing a Dac/Amp and all the conflicting reviews and opinions and having to go all in on blind faith when my 558's are acceptable after some heavy EQing (they really lack bass and sparkle) kinda locks the brakes up for now. If it wasn't for the need for the Amp/Dac I would be much more willing to take the gamble on buying a sound product blindly but I would hate to spend all that money and think....this isn't really much better than I already have and I lost $450 out of my bank account to be ho-hummed.
Yea the fact that I tried many more expensive and higher end headphones and wasn't impressed when I bought mine doesn't help either not to mention getting older I'm trying not to buy so much shit and stack more money in the bank and watch my bank account grow....lol.
But....I'll probably cave at some point and get a new pair of phones and amp. I just need to know which ones are the right ones for me with little doubts.
I mean all the reviews about the 6xx lacking bass you can't possibly listen to pop, electronic, or rap do you? Yea yea yea.. I'll listen to say Hayley Westenra, something more vocal oriented every now and then but that doesn't mean that I don't want my wider range music like electronic punchy and sparkly if you know what I mean....
I think the topic of this post applies more to me than you...lol.
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Post by ForRealTho on Apr 14, 2019 19:21:48 GMT -5
I mean all the reviews about the 6xx lacking bass you can't possibly listen to pop, electronic, or rap do you? Yea yea yea.. The 6XX do not lack bass and as I said before they are the headphones all other headphones were judged by for years and years. Still many peoples favorites of all time. Those reviews are wrong. The caveat is since they are 300 ohm headphones they need an amp. I can't imagine why anyone would say they lack bass unless they weren't amped properly. That said the amp issue is a no brainer. The JDS Labs Atom I linked is completely revolutionary and everyone raves. It was back ordered for a while because its just so crazy popular. You drop $99 on it and you are done worrying about an amp for good. I would get one but I already have an amp I like. |
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Post by ForRealTho on Apr 14, 2019 19:23:41 GMT -5
I am wearing the 6XX right now and just put this on FLAC and if I turned it up much more then I am the bass would quickly give me hearing damage lol. The 6XX do low end well:
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Post by Emig5m on Apr 15, 2019 21:32:52 GMT -5
Yea there's no way in hell that I'm buying another Sennheiser not being able to hear it first - I don't even think open backs are going to cut it for me no matter the brand. Weak. Weak. Weak. I was just comparing my Momentum 2.0, 558, and stock AKGs that came with my S10 on both, the S10 and PC+Dragonfly without any EQ (sounds exactly the same, the S10 has great headphone output, dragonfly isn't any better) and the AKGs blow away both the Sennheisers by miles it's pathetic how bad the Sennheisers are in comparison. Even with the much more punchier sound of the AKG the midrange/vocals and treble are also still much better where normally more bass could be sacrificing mids and top end but not here, everything is better on the AKGs. More bass punch, louder vocals, and clearer treble. Unbelievably, the full size 558 lose to both ear buds even though the Sennheiser ear buds are still shit compared to the AKG because even though they have more bass punch than the 558's, they have no midrange but atleast they're not as dull and lifeless (the sound of having no bass or treble driver on a loudspeaker) as the 558. The 558 is so bad that I can't believe I chose them over everything else at the store. I'd be content on just using the AKG buds but ear buds comfort suck donkey balls for comfort compared to full size even though the AKG's comfort is miles better than the painful in comparison Sennheiser Momentums it's just not very comfortable to have something stuck in your ear canal compared to nice soft pads around your ear. This sucks. I just want to mimick these AKG buds in a more comfortable full size format. I have to use so much EQ with the 558 that they're really no better than a $30 pair of Sony's at Best Buy or barely any better than a stock ipod ear bud....how I chose them over everything else in the store including ATH boggles my mind, they suck, well, I guess they didn't used to, maybe it's just technology has advanced so much that packed in earbuds with a smartphone now blows them away!
I even tried them with games and it was the same outcome....how the hell they made ear buds sound and perform so good, especially ones that come packed in with a phone and not even some specialized aftermarket ones, boggles my mind! Even with heavy EQ the 558 can't do bass nowhere near as good as the AKG buds with no EQ at all! Can headphones just lose their mojo over the years? Loudspeakers I could just blame the capacitors drying out in the crossovers but what could lose it's mojo in a headphone?
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Post by ForRealTho on Apr 16, 2019 7:51:15 GMT -5
Well at this point we are just retreading. The 558 is the "consumer" model. The higher headphones are the "audiophile" models but they need an amp. The 558s will never sound as good as the flagships.
You cannot compare a Dragonfly(which isn't and will never be as good as a desktop amp, I linked measurements above) -> 558 to the higher end Sennheisers with a proper amp.
Same goes for the AKG 7XX. If you bought that and plugged it into the Dragonfly it wouldn't be at its full potential.
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Post by Emig5m on Apr 16, 2019 18:03:47 GMT -5
Got the AKG K872 coming....cost a bit....but hopefully they'll sound better than nooby bass and treble-less Sennheisers! 
I was having my period yesterday....hehe. 
BTW, 558 might be consumer, but then why does a packed in pair of ear buds that came with a phone totally smoke them? Does that make the stock AKGs that come with the S10 audiophile grade? |
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Post by ForRealTho on Apr 16, 2019 20:27:36 GMT -5
Got the AKG K872 coming....cost a bit....but hopefully they'll sound better than nooby bass and treble-less Sennheisers! I was having my period yesterday....hehe. BTW, 558 might be consumer, but then why does a packed in pair of ear buds that came with a phone totally smoke them? Does that make the stock AKGs that come with the S10 audiophile grade? Try the foam mod. The 598s don't have this piece of foam I think. Plenty of people swear by this mod: If you actually are getting those K872s then damn thats nice. I've never even spent that much. My biggest purchase was a $650 MHDT Paradiea+ tube DAC and I sold it almost right away because it sounded absolutely horrible. |
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Post by ForRealTho on Apr 16, 2019 20:36:49 GMT -5
Also you said you don't like headphones that are all midrange, you might wanna try out Beyerdynamic. They have a reputation of really good lows and highs and recessed mids.
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Post by ForRealTho on Apr 16, 2019 21:16:28 GMT -5
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Post by Emig5m on Apr 17, 2019 18:55:24 GMT -5
Got the AKG K872 coming....cost a bit....but hopefully they'll sound better than nooby bass and treble-less Sennheisers! I was having my period yesterday....hehe. BTW, 558 might be consumer, but then why does a packed in pair of ear buds that came with a phone totally smoke them? Does that make the stock AKGs that come with the S10 audiophile grade? Try the foam mod. The 598s don't have this piece of foam I think. Plenty of people swear by this mod: If you actually are getting those K872s then damn thats nice. I've never even spent that much. My biggest purchase was a $650 MHDT Paradiea+ tube DAC and I sold it almost right away because it sounded absolutely horrible. Tried it. If there's a difference, its so small that I can't detect anything between the time it takes to do the mod and then to get back to listening. Maybe I could tell a slight difference if I had a modded and unmodded pair that I could switch within a second of each other but otherwise, doing that mod didn't seem to accomplish anything meaningful. BTW, just busting chops about getting those K872's....hehe. I'm way too skeptical to spend $200 for a pair of headphones sound unheard, definitely not giving $1500, LOL. Next time I'm near a Magnolia I'll try what they have or the audio shop where I bought my B&W speakers. |
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Post by Emig5m on Apr 17, 2019 18:57:04 GMT -5
I've never even spent that much. My biggest purchase was a $650 MHDT Paradiea+ tube DAC and I sold it almost right away because it sounded absolutely horrible.That's exactly the reason I don't want to buy something sound unheard! |
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Post by Emig5m on Apr 17, 2019 19:28:53 GMT -5
Earbuds sound better than full-size headphones? Could be an issue with your PC setup. Whenever I plug in headphones, Windows gives the options small/medium/large headphones. Maybe some of the Windows sound settings need tweaked or maybe your PC just has a crappy sound chip. You could try some comparison listening while plugging the headphones directly to your A/V receiver. Or maybe your full-sized headphones would benefit from being amped, like suggested. Either way, I'd be shocked if those $1500 headphones you're getting don't sound much better than all the others (including the HD6XX). If they don't, you'll really want to investigate other aspects of your listening setup. Bubba....Tech keeps getting better. My 558's are mega old, the AKG ear buds are brand new 2019. For example, wouldn't you agree that the video and audio recording quality of new smartphones totally trounces full size and dedicated camcorders of past? Just because ear buds are small doesn't mean that they can't be great and can't beat larger older school stuff! Even using EQ and maxing out 32hz I still can't get the sub bass that the AKGs have WITHOUT touching the EQ! That much difference that you can't even EQ the Sennheisers to perform as good as in the sub bass. Anyway, nothing wrong with my PC setup. I'm not even using the sound chip, I'm using a Dragonfly. I tried the PC/Dragonfly against just the smartphone and they're pretty much identical and the Dragonfly is a step up from the onboard chip (mainly signal to noise ratio....damned pesky noisy PC circuits). Tech is getting so good these days that the need for specialized stuff is getting greatly reduced in many areas. Anyway, just for shits, I tried my hardest to mimic the sound of the AKGs with EQ and this is how my custom curve turned out after swapping back and forth between the ear buds/headphone many times.... Will try both my AVRs later, maybe that could shed some light on my dilema.....
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Post by ForRealTho on Apr 17, 2019 19:48:19 GMT -5
I've never even spent that much. My biggest purchase was a $650 MHDT Paradiea+ tube DAC and I sold it almost right away because it sounded absolutely horrible.That's exactly the reason I don't want to buy something sound unheard! To be fair tho even if the HD6XX/K7XX aren't 100% to your liking I guarantee they won't sound "absolutely horrible". That is of course if they are properly amped and like SJ said if your computers audio is setup properly. Computer audio is getting better but there is still a lot of trash out there. |
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Post by Emig5m on Apr 17, 2019 20:51:12 GMT -5
Ok so the AVRs have ever so little more bottom ooomph for the 558 but it's still muddy undefined bass that clearly rolls off earlier than the ear buds so even though they aren't 300 ohm they do appear to have a little more bottom authority using the AVRs headphone output over the Dragonfly and I don't have to boost the bass as much. Not super surprised and it's not nowhere near enough difference to be worth spending money on though since I'm still not happy with the end result...I'm clearly due for a headphone upgrade. Since you have both the HD6XX/K7XX which one would you say goes deeper before rolling off the map?
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I'm definitely not going to feed it with the analog output of a PC that's for sure...mega S/N ratio! Isn't there something good that includes both a DAC+Amp that gets great results for a good price? That's why I was asking about the Dragonfly because I already have one albeit the less powerful black and not the red but the nice thing about the Dragonfly is that it's so small and portable and can be comfortably used while laying in bed with a smartphone...
